Overrated/Underpraised: Pirates vs Musketeers!!!

Topic started by VioletEyedDragon on July 28, 2012. Last post by MrMazz 9 months, 3 weeks ago.
Post by VioletEyedDragon (1,812 posts) See mini bio

Nathan Adams of Filmschoolrejects has started a cool new column which pits a film with undeserved love against an unfortunately ignored or ridiculed one. I'm making a similar blog, and by similar I mean the exact same. :)

It has been less than a year since Paul W.S. Anderson’s The Three Musketeers hit theaters, but no one remembers it. However, everyone remembers the original Pirates of the Caribbean. You know what that means: It’s time for some Overrated/Underpraised.

Both of these movies take a period known for swashbucklers and sword fighters and add in extra elements to make a light blockbuster. For the original Pirates movie--Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl--these elements were skeleton pirates and Johnny Depp. Judging from the box office receipts and the critical reviews (and the fact that the series has continued going when every subsequent movie was absolutely terrible), one would think this was a good idea. It sort of is. However, The Three Musketeers had some better ones.

Skeleton pirates are cool, so I won’t bash them. I will instead focus my energy on Johnny Depp’s Jack Sparrow (sorry: Captain Jack Sparrow). At first, he is entertaining, a gonzo character in a sea of mind-numbingly boring heroes and villains. His introduction of riding a sinking boat into a major English port and tipping his hat to the hanging corpses above a “Pirates be Warned” sign is funny. But if his antics don’t seem to get old on you, they probably should. Jack Sparrow is a pretty terrible human being. He makes his living by stealing. He spent years in a crew with some sadistic terrorists. He “borrows” Zoe Saldana’s boat without permission and then sinks it. He constantly drinks as if being drunk is something cool and attractive. He takes cursed gold pieces that turn him into a skeleton despite knowing it comes at the cost of his soul. He wears way too much eye shadow.

Why should we care--and root for--such a jerk? Should we really admire his drunken, selfish antics? Now I know that we are supposed to believe Jack Sparrow has a good heart, because in the beginning of the movie he reveals his identity as a pirate to save Keira Knightley. But does one selfless act really justify his entire past as a pirate and his entire future as a pirate?

Another problem with the movie is Knightley's character Elizabeth Swan. Keira Knightley has given some great performances--if you haven’t already, please see Last Night--but in the Pirates movies she does a really bad job. The character is a selfish, strident shrew who in addition to being really annoying is completely incapable of doing anything herself. She nearly drowned because her corset was too tight! Kinda sexist.

The Three Musketeers goes with a different strategy. They spice up the old story by making it a heist film with giant airship battles. It is anachronistic and silly, but so much fun. The Three Musketeers has been told dozens of times, but adding the extra element of zeppelins and Ocean’s Eleven-style cons breathes new life into it.

Every scene is just as funny and playful as in Pirates. A highlight is where the young monarchs infuriate the cardinal by making a joke out of an unfair trial over a brawl the musketeers were involved in.

Add onto this is the fact that there is a much clearer theme in Three Musketeers. Even though it takes place in a France torn by a power struggle between a child king and a ruthless cardinal, it ends up being a testament to patriotism and honor. The three musketeers (four if you count the protagonist, played by Logan Lerman) have their flaws, but in the end they are admirable, traditional heroes. Keep in mind, though: This message never interrupts the story’s fast, fun pace.

The Three Musketeers doesn’t just have a better moral, it could likely be a more enjoyable experience than watching Captain Jack & Friends.

Post by RockinKemosabe (884 posts) See mini bio

I think my fondness of the first Pirates film is a bit sullied by the lacklustre sequels, but I still enjoy the hell out of Curse of the Black Pearl. At the time it was released, it was a fun romp that had a refreshing setting with wonderfully silly performance by Johnny Depp. He was a somewhat well known actor before the movie, but after that summer he was one of the biggest stars in the world. Jack Sparrow is a character that's terrific one movie at a time. I would have to watch a Pirate movie then wait a few months and then watch the sequel. It's a character you can't watch when you do a marathon of the franchise.

On the other hand, The Three Musketeers is not unappreciated. It's a boring mess of a film and it's not as funny as Pirates. I love James Corden but he's not funny at all considering he's supposed to be the blubbering comic relief. Sword fighting in movies are a guilty pleasure of mine and none of the fights were all that exciting. The Musketeer had better action in it. However, the worst thing I can about this movie is that it's not even so bad it's good. After it is a Paul W.S. Anderson film, so I had low expectations for it coming in, but the film couldn't even have the courtesy of being a guilty pleasure in quality.

Edit: Also, Pirates has Zoe Saldana. Advantage Pirates.

Post by Ghost_of_GhostDad (813 posts) See mini bio

Tarantino listed The Three Musketeers as one of his top films of last year so I am kinda curious to see it.

I don't think you get Jack Sparrow nor did most of the audience or the writers for the three sequels. Jack Sparrow is cool in the way a rock star is cool. Which makes sense since Depp was inspired by Keith Richards. Much like the actual Keith Richards, behind the glitz and glamor is a smelly cowardly substance abusing jackass who is only looking out for himself. He is also a pirate and going by history they weren't exactly nice people what with the hijacking ships, murdering people, pillaging, and the raping. I also assume it was hard to practice good hygiene on a ship in the 18th Century. Also most pirates enjoyed drinking rum if Sid Meier's Pirates! has taught me anything.

That makes Jack Sparrow the anti-hero, who if you notice in Curse of the Black Pearl is only helping out the heroes for his own selfish desires, getting his ship back, and really only helps out of the kindness of his heart during the final showdown with Capt. Barbosa.

Anybody who thinks Jack Sparrow is a role model is a terrible person. He was simply a fun character in a movie that was nothing more then a surprisingly decent popcorn flick.

Post by VioletEyedDragon (1,812 posts) See mini bio

@Ghost_of_GhostDad: Tarantino's year end lists are always surprising but definitely interesting. he probably would have made a good film critic (not to say I am not glad he is a director--he has made some great movies).

Post by MrMazz (1,541 posts) See mini bio

Pirates was a fun swashbuckling adventure that had a very fun (now extremely annoying) turn by Johnny Depp. If you break it down to it's parts is it really paint by numbers yep. It was fun though most importantly.

I can't say that though about Three Musketeers. It tried to be fun. Having crazy flying airships and bright colors was a nice attempt but it never caught that same lighting that Pirates had. Also the actors didn't have the same magnatisim Depp,Bloom and even Knightly had. They tried you had Logan Lerman,Milla Jovovich,Matthew Macfadyen,Ray Stevenson,Luke Evans,Mads Mikkelsen, Christoph Waltz and even Orlando Bloom!!! But none of them have the same kind of starpower Depp has and their characters where never allowed to be that quirky or all that interesting. The titular Three are boring has beens trying to get their honor back but mainly are there to kill people. Is Captain Jack really a good character or interesting? Not really but Depp made you interested in what he did at least. Everyone in Three Musketeers was just dry and dead which doesn't help when you going for some sort of epic action adventure. The only one who seemed to have any fun was Orlando Bloom and he isn't exactly in it much.

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