Why Are Movies With Heroes Becoming Bleaker?

Topic started by matthew_floratis on Feb. 1, 2013. Last post by Eyz 4 months, 1 week ago.
Post by matthew_floratis (42 posts) See mini bio
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Dark.
Dark.

In the letters page of the most recent issue of Marvel Comics’ Uncanny Avengers, the editor aired a complaint received about the dark tone increasingly more comic books seem (according to the emailer) to be adopting. The email was rambling and otherwise ill-conceived, but this individual concluded that comics aren’t meant to have “this kind of [dark] heroes, . . . this kind of sadism.”

The Hunger Games isn't exactly rosy.
The Hunger Games isn't exactly rosy.

He won’t find too much solace in mainstream films either. Hollywood blockbusters have gone dark as well. Action heroes are now grim, tarnished figures—Jason Bourne is an easy example; in the realm of television, 24’s Jack Bauer—dramas like Zero Dark Thirty throw scenes of torture our way, teen flicks like The Hunger Games are far from rosy, and traditionally blithe icons like Batman find themselves mired in bleak, somber tales. The upcoming Superman picture seems to be heading down a similar path. Even the always bright and flippant James Bond is only getting darker with age. As I’ve noted before, last year’s Skyfall was for all intents and purposes that franchise’s The Dark Knight, complete with disturbed origin story. This is hardly a phenomenon unique to comic books, then, and it could even extend past movies and television—it would not surprise me if video games traveled down a similar path. Everything is going gloomy.

The problems that are said to arise from this seem to me superficial, and I don’t really find them that interesting, but they should be addressed in any case. This trend is only a sticking point for individuals that aren’t into anything watching or consuming somber, like our aforementioned disgruntled comic book reader. It’s bad times for them, but there’s little to do other than to vote with their dollar. Slightly more valid is the concern that this storytelling trope might become oversaturated. The market gets flooded by those types of films and consumer interest dies out. In that case, the more capable producers will simply pull their money out from any Dark Knight derivative and the direct-to-video market will be left to pick up the gloom-and-doom scraps. (Past all that, we shouldn’t pretend like it’s all bleak. We’ll know we’ve gone a step too far when the likes of Adam Sandler produce a black comedy. Until then, I think we’re on safe ground.)

If Batman Begins didn't start this new trend it certainly popularized it.
If Batman Begins didn't start this new trend it certainly popularized it.

More interesting to me is why so many films are adopting this darker tone. We might pin it all down on a handful of films (or even just one film) that started the trend, the picture the industry’s mainstream has taken its lead from. In this case, I’m thinking of Batman Begins which, if not responsible for setting off this wave of dark-toned movies, is certainly responsible for popularizing those kinds of narratives and proving that they can do big business even when attached to such an iconic figure. The copycat game is typical fare as far as Hollywood goes, and this phase is probably just another fad that will eventually fall by the wayside as all fads do. Another possibility is that the mainstream audience is slowly maturing over time, and darker films are now accepted as legitimate. This is patently visible in the teen market. Consider how dark Twilight and The Hunger Games are compared to the most popular teen flicks of the 80s and 90s (The Outsiders, Dirty Dancing, and Bring It On). I certainly don’t mean to imply that dark-toned films have never existed—just consider foreign cinema even before looking domestically—but those films weren’t ever in the mainstream. The dark tone is bigger now than it has ever been. This is a modern (if not entirely unique) occurrence.

Perhaps it’s the fact that grim stories are more compelling to us than the average lighthearted tale is likely to be. It’s more interesting to watch Batman go through strife in attempting to prevent massive acts of terrorism in Gotham City than it is to watch him pull out a bag of tricks from his utility belt and cycle through them all. This is patently the case with the Bond franchise. The goofy Moore films of the 70s and 80s are almost impossible to sit through for anyone that didn’t grow up in that era watching those pictures. Moore’s James Bond seems utterly out of place in our time; Craig’s are perfectly in tune.

In that way, the dark tone is a device screenwriters can easily employ to give their story more punch. It’s been beneficial to the Bond and Batman franchises, and to my mind it’s a totally fine approach, even if it’s already starting to feel a little lazy. It becomes obstructive only when it is poorly implemented. Opening one’s film with a bombing where scores of innocents die doesn’t really make the film dark; it just makes it tragic. Effort must actually be put in to develop characters that are troubled in some way, and perhaps are even anti-heroic.

I would love to see Bond become even darker, if only for one installment—just to see if it works.
I would love to see Bond become even darker, if only for one installment—just to see if it works.

The Bond franchise could certainly go further down this path, if only as a one-time experiment. The secret agent developed an alcohol and drug addiction in Skyfall, though ultimately little was made of it. It would be interesting to see Bond projected into a serious, real-world situation that he must sort through, perhaps in a state where he is personally compromised. A simple example: he could get caught up in the murky (and often sickening and utterly deplorable) European child modeling business, where plenty of horrible things go down—connect it to an international crime ring that he is in the process of dismantling. It’s a lifelike situation that Bond would prove heroic in, and it’s a far cry from the simple unchallenging villains that Craig’s Bond has had to face—a poker player that cries blood, an environmentalist gone wild—and an even further departure from the positively wacky villains of old.

I don’t mean to reduce the issue of dark narratives down to personal taste (‘either you like it or you don’t’—that old chestnut) but these movies evidently appeal to preponderance of the audience. They’ll only come on faster until that appeal diminishes. But it’s not as if this type of story is new. Man has always been doing bad things, and life was more grim two thousand years ago than it is today. The stories of old—the ancient myths and legends—are, in many ways, more brutal and troubling than most of what we come up with now. The dark tone isn’t something we should shrink from simply because, as the letter writer we opened up this article with would say, we want to hear a happy story. A happy story is great, but a grim story can be just (and if not more) inspiring, striking, and entertaining.

Post by MrMazz (1,548 posts) See mini bio

My first reaction why things are now dark is 9/11. A major cultural eventthat changed the what the public wanted for entertainment and what creators wanted to make. This goes into my general belief that every decade or so film (along with probably other forms of art) just begins to reject everything that was previously held to be true in the wake of major cultural events. All in the name of making new art and dealing with economic realities. All of these “new” movements like the transition from Jean Renoir's era to French New Wave, Italion Neorealisim (followed by whatever you call Fellini), New German, and Japan' Nuberu Bagu can all be tied to WW2 F'ing everything up leaving artists disillusioned along with the public.

In new melinal Hollywood the biggest cultural event was the 9/11 attacks. Which from it spawned 24, even if they didn’t want to be the first poster child and Battlestar Galactica. Jack Bauer became Americas James Bond who made the real Bond look woefully inadequate when compared to Bauer doing whatever was necessary to protect people. People didn't want (after the initial shock) the typical lucky snarky hero that was invincble, like Arnold Schwarzenegger. After Die Hard John McClane startes to take less and less damage.

Looking back at Batman Begins it doesn't really have that "dark and gritty" buzzword that The Dark Knight spawned. I’d say The Dark Knight is the real push or start of these darker hero movies, since TDK made a billion dollars. Other than the fall/autumnal color palette Begins isn't all that dark in art direction or story. The whole blowing up the water pipes to disperse the chemical X is reminiscent of something from Moore era Bond. It was just a summer blockbuster that took it's time but was still a summer blockbuster through and through.

The definitively less cartoony appearance can also be linked to how much of a bomb Batman&Robin was. The Burton films might of been Dark Deco but Returns really started leaning into wacky gadgets and characterture for it's characters. The studio had no choice but to go far away from anything looking like Schumacher Batman.

This forced studio reaction can also be seen in the Craig era Bond. Die Another Day fizzled in a post 9/11 and Bourne Identity world.It also really sucked and went full Moore. They obviously couldn't keep doing Brosnan style Bond so they went in the Craig direction of a still charming womanizing Bond but also one that was broken and more Jascon Bourne like in some areas.

This fad will go away, probably on the back of Marvel's Phase 2 of films. For why teen films are dark also...well I blame Twilight and the lack of John Hughes appreciation.

Post by dbz1995 (32 posts) See mini bio

I think that, somewhere down the line, the idea that darker, grittier films are a better environment for characterisation and plot than the environment that Spiderman found itself in, emerged. I'm struggling to build this sentence.

Post by Ghost_of_GhostDad (947 posts) See mini bio

I thought Avengers and most of the Marvel Studios movies were noticeable lighter toned then most hero movies so they really stand out as different. Sure the heroes have to deal with adversity, overcome some obstacle, and some sort of stakes but they don't need to be sad sacks about it. I would love to see a more lighthearted Batman movie but at the other end of the spectrum I don't want another neon nightmare of gaiety that was Batman and Robin. As much as I like the Daniel Craig Bond movies, with the exception of Quantum of Solace, I always prefer the ones that find the middle ground between the goofiness of say a Moonraker or a Diamonds are Forever or the grittiness of a Casino Royale or a License to Kill. The perfect example of finding this middle ground is two of my favorite Bond movies GoldenEye and From Russia With Love.

@MrMazz said:

For why teen films are dark also...well I blame Twilight and the lack of John Hughes appreciation.

I hate to break it to you but John Hughes was pretty good at making movies that showed being a teenager sucks and is depressing, not counting Weird Science and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Post by LeaderVladimir (2 posts) See mini bio

Well, there is a difference between making the hero/heroine darker and making the atmosphere darker.

Post by seanconnery13 (47 posts) See mini bio

I'm all for more edgy, darker films. Bond has had dark moments before ( killing Elektra King in cold blood, his wife being

killed right after the wedding, kicking Locke's car of a cliff). The best movie Adam Sandler ever made was Punch Drunk Love, which was darker per say and offbeat.

I'm a person who did not like The Avengers because I am not interested in that kind of movie. The Dark Knight is the best comic book movie ever because it was dark, well acted/directed, and it felt real. It is a movie that is no longer looked at as just a comic book movie, but a sprawling crime epic.

I'm not the best person to be entering these arguments, but dark and edgy fare has more weight to it. It makes you feel something. I hate movies that you forget after you leave the theater. Popcorn movies don't need to be stupid, mindless fun. Then again, they don't have to be pitch black either. There is a happy medium. Nolan found it with Dark Knight and Inception.

Yada, yada, yada moviegoers are idiots (not everyone, chill out) and studios know that and know they can make money off crap.

Post by Watcherg44 (255 posts) See mini bio

ok, The world is darker, ok watch the News, everyone seems out to kill America.

I hate to Agree with Ghost_of_GhostDad, but He's right on the James Bond.

also, i noticed no one said Watchmen? or Dredd? V for Vendetta, LXG?

not so dark Superman 4

For teen movies Heathers? or the Heavenly Kid?

ok, are they becoming darker? I saw Rob zombies, Halloween, and I was Pissed at first because i thought he was pushing his whole, Darker 80's Feel, in the movie. Not everything is has dark has he see's it.

Post by Eyz (252 posts) See mini bio

@MrMazz said:

My first reaction why things are now dark is 9/11. A major cultural eventthat changed the what the public wanted for entertainment and what creators wanted to make. This goes into my general belief that every decade or so film (along with probably other forms of art) just begins to reject everything that was previously held to be true in the wake of major cultural events. All in the name of making new art and dealing with economic realities. All of these “new” movements like the transition from Jean Renoir's era to French New Wave, Italion Neorealisim (followed by whatever you call Fellini), New German, and Japan' Nuberu Bagu can all be tied to WW2 F'ing everything up leaving artists disillusioned along with the public.

In new melinal Hollywood the biggest cultural event was the 9/11 attacks. Which from it spawned 24, even if they didn’t want to be the first poster child and Battlestar Galactica. Jack Bauer became Americas James Bond who made the real Bond look woefully inadequate when compared to Bauer doing whatever was necessary to protect people. People didn't want (after the initial shock) the typical lucky snarky hero that was invincble, like Arnold Schwarzenegger. After Die Hard John McClane startes to take less and less damage.

Looking back at Batman Begins it doesn't really have that "dark and gritty" buzzword that The Dark Knight spawned. I’d say The Dark Knight is the real push or start of these darker hero movies, since TDK made a billion dollars. Other than the fall/autumnal color palette Begins isn't all that dark in art direction or story. The whole blowing up the water pipes to disperse the chemical X is reminiscent of something from Moore era Bond. It was just a summer blockbuster that took it's time but was still a summer blockbuster through and through.

The definitively less cartoony appearance can also be linked to how much of a bomb Batman&Robin was. The Burton films might of been Dark Deco but Returns really started leaning into wacky gadgets and characterture for it's characters. The studio had no choice but to go far away from anything looking like Schumacher Batman.

This forced studio reaction can also be seen in the Craig era Bond. Die Another Day fizzled in a post 9/11 and Bourne Identity world.It also really sucked and went full Moore. They obviously couldn't keep doing Brosnan style Bond so they went in the Craig direction of a still charming womanizing Bond but also one that was broken and more Jascon Bourne like in some areas.

This fad will go away, probably on the back of Marvel's Phase 2 of films. For why teen films are dark also...well I blame Twilight and the lack of John Hughes appreciation.

^That!

How so true!

Actually me and my buds talked about it similarly a bunch of times this past decade. The world seems like a darker place, and does fiction follow suit in general.

That's also why I find myself mostly reading old comics, watching old movies, playing older games... things are just so gritty these days, I prefer to take entertainment as a way to lighten the mood/free my mind from all the burden of daily life..

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