Game of Thrones: What Is Dead May Never Die

Topic started by staceywi on April 16, 2012. Last post by gangly 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by staceywi (142 posts) See mini bio
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The theme running throughout all of Westeros this week….trust no one.

This week we were watching lessons in loyalty, betrayal, and what will soon be the consequences of all. It is, of course, one of the most prevalent themes running throughout the entire series, but last night gave us kind of a political status update and a check-in as to where several characters stand and some clues as to where things are going in the future.

First up, Tyrion Lannister. We have seen glimpses of it, but last nights episode was one of the first times we have seen him operate with true political prowess. In season one, we were always trying to figure out if he really was just a whore-loving imp that couldn't live up to his father's high expectations or if his intelligence was truly under-estimated because of his physical stature. This season, I think we are seeing that that latter is the truth, and in trying to fight for love and approval he has become the Lannister with some of the most scheming political knowledge. He successfully weeds out Ceresei's rat by playing a game of words with three members of the inner counsel by feeding them all different information. Not only does this serve to allow him to find and punish Pycelle (and essentially shut down much of the power that Cersei has had by getting insider information), but he also played Petry Baelish in a way that lets him know, "you don't want to fuck with me" and that the wise choice would be to stay loyal. He then sends Petyr to negotiate with Catelyn Stark. I'm not sure how that is going to turn out in seeing how Petyr has operated in the past - could Tyrion be learning some lessons in loyalty himself in the future?

And then we get to visit with Renly Baratheon and I was surprised at how, without seeing his character for a few episodes, he truly has become a King in his own right. He now commands his own army, and has enough power to gain the support of over 100,000 people. Then we see him with his new wife, who seems to be doing some political scheming of her own. She lets Renly know that she knows his "secret" and about his affair with her brother. While she vows to keep quiet (for now), I couldn't help but suspect that her pleading to him to "put a child in her" wasn't a subtle way of telling him to do this for her, or she will reveal what he doesn't want anyone else to know – giving her more power than anyone else in his clan at the moment.

And then there is the lesson in betrayal Robb Stark is about to learn by Theon Greyjoy. Sad. Theon – the Starks former ward – was recently sent by Robb to broker a deal with his father, Balon Greyjoy, and ask for the use of his ships to help Robb in his attack of the Lannister's territory. However, Balon informs Theon that he has different plans and lets him know that not only will they not be joining the alliance, they will themselves be attempting to take the kingdom of the North and the Stark's territory for their own. And just when we think that Theon is going to warn Robb Stark of his father's plans, he burns his letter to him and we realize he just got played. His father sneakily gets in to his head and convinces him to betray the only true family he ever had, just because he thinks he should stay loyal to his blood. So, Robb doesn't know it yet, but he is about to get a big surprise in 30 ships sailing to over-take his power and the loss of the support of Theon Greyjoy in his fight, all so Theon can now command "the sea bitch." I think the biggest lesson here, is that no matter what happens in Westeros, there truly is no loyalty... because daddy issues always win.

With the theme of power overall, we only got glimpses in to some of the creepier, supernatural elements that seemed to be making more of an appearance this season. Bran wakes up and tries to convince his master that the dreams he has been having in the body of a Direwolf are real. He claims that they are "different", and I am starting to believe he is right. I like these mystical aspects sprinkled in the show, and I really hope this is true. Speaking of fantasy, there was a complete lack of Daenerys Targaryen last night and her dragons. And, although it looks like from the previews she is around next week, I was mildly sad when a friend of mine told me there is a severe lack of her character in the storylines of the books right now and it won't be a while until we really see her story emerge? I was a bit disheartened to hear that. But then again, it also means that there is so so much good stuff yet to come, I think it will be worth the wait.

Post by Twisted (8 posts) See mini bio

Nice article, love this show.

Post by Captain_Insano (348 posts) See mini bio

I thought this was the best episode of this season so far, though the Craster stuff was a bit disappointing.

Post by WiqidBritt (52 posts) See mini bio

I'm pretty sure Theon just thought that sending a hand written letter wad probably a bad idea. I suspect that he's still going to try and find a way to protect the Stark family as much as he can in this situation.

Post by FLStyle (157 posts) See mini bio

I was surprised that Ceresei fell for it, Tyrion knows what he's doing.

Great episode.

Post by AlKusanagi (156 posts) See mini bio

Ignore Arya at your own peril. The Little Wolf never forgets!

Post by MrMazz (1,541 posts) See mini bio

I never liked Theon. Dude always struck me as a shifty whore lover who while not to brite is still dangerous to himself and his friends. And than they go and make me like him with the scene between him and Balon where he calls his dad out on his "Iron price" BS. Well I guess I'll feel a little bad when he gets most likely brutally murdered instead of happy he is off the screen.

Once again Tryion is my favorite part of the show it feels like they are centering the show around him more or less instead of trying to make it all vingettes of everyone schemeing about eachother while all seperated by 1000 leagues.

I must need to rewatch the scene between Remly and Margaery Tyrell I didn't get any of these like evil undertones. All I took it as was she didn't care and simply wanted his power.

This was a nice article

Post by Skywarpgold (240 posts) See mini bio
Great article! I just wanted to give a shout out to Yoren, for going out in a blaze of glory. "I never liked crossbows. They take too long to reload!" Pure awesomeness.
Post by Delta_Assault (251 posts) See mini bio
I'm glad there's little to no Daenerys, cause her entire plotline in season 1 was utterly boring to me.
Post by TheHT (297 posts) See mini bio

A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.

Post by Dylabaloo (821 posts) See mini bio

@Captain_Insano said:

I thought this was the best episode of this season so far, though the Craster stuff was a bit disappointing.

Agreed.

The t.v show has definitely done a better job of making give a shit about Theon, that Iron price scene with Balon was brilliant. I love that they gave Yoren a badass death, but I i'm not sure how I feel about Arya going directly to Harrenhall, I felt her little adventure from the book was important to her character, and built her little band of friends.And the Tickler!

Post by vicsrealms (25 posts) See mini bio

@Delta_Assault said:

I'm glad there's little to no Daenerys, cause her entire plotline in season 1 was utterly boring to me.

Doesn't really get any better in the books for her.

I was wondering who they were going to get to play that female Knight (forgot her name, but then I haven't read the books in a while). The description of her in the book, and...crud that leads to spoilers. nvm.

It was good to see Anne from the Tudors in this show. She was a great actor, until her head got chopped off. ~grin~

Tyrion is one of my favorite characters in the books so far, and its great to see him involved until...beep. Spoilers again, so I will wait till that part of the show comes up. Still, the actor chosen for him has done an excellent job.

This show is actually a lot more interesting then the books, and that is not usually something I would usually say.

Post by mylifeforAiur (1,662 posts) See mini bio

I did enjoy the episode, but I can't help but feel distraught because of the lack of time any character receives in any given episode. I guess you could chalk it up to having too many likeable characters and not nearly enough air-time. If anything, the scarcity of certain appearances is making me incessantly interested in reading the books; it pains me to have to wait another interminably agonizing week for the subsequent episode. I want Tyrion now, blasted!

Post by twistedmick (10 posts) See mini bio

It's refreshing to watch a show that has so little "filler" in it. Not since, well Deadwood or The Wire, has there been an hour a week that is complete on television. It seems this week's GOT episode was the end of the set up and beginning of the avalanche of awesome we have to look forward to the rest of the season.

Post by monoceros4 (17 posts) See mini bio

"I guess you could chalk it up to having too many likeable characters..."

Game of Thrones has many watchable qualities, but "likeable characters" are not among them. Hell, if it weren't for Tyrion Lannister to liven up the proceedings, I'd probably stop watching altogether.

Post by StriderNo9 (66 posts) See mini bio

A really good episode, it made up for a lackluster episode last week.

Post by oddjob (206 posts) See mini bio

The Greyjoy subplot is so much better to watch than to read.

@Dylabaloo: I agree, the whole time I was watching it I knew something was missing, and when it was announced she would be taken straight to Harrenhall, I was sad to see we wouldn't see her escape with the rest of kids. It was a cool and fun section in the book. Hopefully they make use of some of that at Harrenhall.

Post by gangly (1,273 posts) See mini bio

So, I really didn't like this episode for reasons that I can't really talk about (for those of you who haven't read the book). Frustrating!!!

I'll just say, they've added and are lingering on completely unimportant things, while omitting other HUGELY important ones. I'm fine when an adaptation diverges from the source material, in fact I encourage it, but unless they've significantly changed characters/events, this episode was well acted, and largely pointless.

@mylifeforAiur said:

If anything, the scarcity of certain appearances is making me incessantly interested in reading the books.

So... READ THEM RIGHT NOW! If you like the show, you won't be disappointed.

Post by vicsrealms (25 posts) See mini bio

@gangly said:

So... READ THEM RIGHT NOW! If you like the show, you won't be disappointed.

Until you finish the fit book and realize it could be another 5 years until the next one comes out. ~sigh~

Post by gangly (1,273 posts) See mini bio

@vicsrealms: Very true, but I think it's a good indicator of George R. R. Martin's character that he's unwilling to complete a book until it's exactly how he wants it. Take the video game company Valve, or the WoW makers Blizzard, or fuck, even Christoper Nolan who demanded to wait to make another Batman movie until they had the perfect story to tell.

I'd always rather be frustrated by waiting for something great, then be frustrated by reading/watching/playing something that sucks because it was rushed.

(that said, I'm only on book 3 now, so get back to me when I'm done "Dragons" and furiously pissed that I can't yet read more.) ;)

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