Casting Call: Frank Castle

Topic started by CrimsonAvenger on Oct. 21, 2011. Last post by Ghost_of_GhostDad 8 months ago.
Post by CrimsonAvenger (1,277 posts) See mini bio

Like many I felt that both of the Punisher films released by Lionsgate were lousy and did little justice to the actual character himself I liked the 2004 version and would give it 3.5/5 stars but still it featured very little Punisher kind of stuff I guess because of the comic it was based on was essentially supposed to be an origin story. So when the head of Marvel Studios-Kevin Feige announced that Disney/Marvel Studios had acquired the rights, I was happy because I knew that a good Punisher movie might be made. That movie or possibly show is going to be titled Frank Castle and is possibly going to be released in 2014 if the movie project is still in development.

If done right, The Punisher could make an awesome movie but sadly the original film with Dolph Lundgren was just an action movie, 2004’s Punisherwas pretty good at times but still didn't have a great story, and 2008’s Punisher War Zone was all mindless action with no real story. Thomas Jane made a great Punisher but the story was the problem. All the film needs is to be grounded like the rest of the Marvel Cinematic Universe films. The Punisher could be done right like that but so far, nobody has ever had much of a good idea on how to write the character well in a movie.

Director

Michael Mann is the best possible choice for directing a Punisher movie. Crime thrillers are his thing so a Punisher movie with him onboard means business. He’s directed such famed films like 1995’s Heat with Al Pacino, 1999’s The Insider which was also a crime film, 2004’s Collateral with Tom Cruise, and even 2009’s Public Enemies.

The guy has the experience and the know how to do a Punisher movie but the success of the film all depends on the rating. The rights belong to Disney and Marvel Studios who have yet to make an R-Rated film together and in fact Disney has never done an R-rated movie which presents a problem as the Punisher needs to R-rated in order to work.

Mann is the like the go to guy when doing crime film so I’m plenty sure he could make the best Punisher ever made. There’s no doubt in my mind that this guy could do a terrific Punisher film even If I’m not a huge fan of the character myself. He knows the genre better than anyone and while I've only seen Public Enemies, I know this guy can do it and can do it pretty darn well. Now only get Garth Ennis to help out on the script and you've got yourself a Punisher movie. Top that off with Thomas Jane and you have the perfect Punisher film.

The Punisher

I really liked Thomas Jane when he was in The Punisher and I would go as far to say I would bring him back as the character. Ray Stevenson was good in the role as well but I just felt Thomas Jane felt more like the Punisher to me.

He played the character once before and he can still the play the character, even at age 42. During preparation for the role, Jane read as many Punisher comics as he could and even spent 6-7 months training with Navy Seals for the role. He hasn't done anything kind of even like the Punisher since it and I know he wanted to come back as the character for a sequel that never got made so I'm sure he'd do it.

When I heard about a new Punisher film, I immediately thought of having Jane reprise the role because I pictured Castle being a little older in this film because many of the other actors playing some of the heroes and other characters are actually in their 40’s as well. If Robert Downey Jr. can be Iron Man at like age 46 then I don't see why Thomas Jane couldn't be the Punisher. He was in the Jonah Hex animated short that came out in 2010 with Batman: Under The Red Hood and could have even played the character in live-action but obviously hasn't.

I'm also open to seeing Ray Stevenson return to the role as he got kind of a bum chance to star as the Punisher. I thought he made a good Punisher and I know he's open to playing the role again. He was pretty good in what turned out to be a lousy movie (that some liked but I didn't).

Lt. Martin Soap

Martin Soap is Castle’s police contact who provides him with information from the police database. He is generally shown to be an incompetent detective but I’m not sure he should be that way on screen because comic-relief is no longer something people like in a movie. It’s funny for a little bit and then it gets annoying. Anyways, the character was created in 2001 by Garth Ennis who is commonly said to be the greatest Punisher writer of all time.

The actor I had in mind who I’m sure could do both the comic relief version of the character or the more serious and competent version shown in Punisher Noir. That actor is Bradley Cooper. I like Bradley Cooper and in fact when I’m stumped with casting choices, I usually go with Bradley Cooper as a temporary choice because he’s actually quite versatile.

The Punisher doesn't have a lot of great supporting characters and while Microchip is typically thought of as Punisher's ally, I'd prefer it if that character weren't used again because he just doesn't seem to be very important anymore. It's nice to have an explanation of where Frank gets his weapons from but the character of Microchip is kind of lame.

General Zahkarov

Looking through his list of enemies on ComicVine, I stumbled across one interesting sounding Punisher villain called General Zahkarov. The character has only appeared in fourteen issues during the "Mother Russia" story arc of The Punisher Max series which was written by Garth Ennis. I thought it would be interesting to have a Russian gangster as the villain instead of a more colorful villain like Jigsaw.

An actor I thought of for the role would be Philip Seymour Hoffman. The guy is supposed to be a seriously talented actor that many comic book fans wanted to see as The Penguin in The Dark Knight Rises but that obviously never happened. Off the top of my head I have no idea if he's played villains before but I think it'd be kind of neat to see him as a Russian villain even if I know nothing about the character or Hoffman himself.

I don't know if that kind of a character would work in a Michael Mann directed Punisher movie but I really don't know. It was just sort of an idea I had but I'm not nearly big enough of a Punisher fan to really say that. Or another more famous villain from Punisher's rogues gallery could be Barracuda-a villain many fans like.

Barracuda

Terry Crews
Terry Crews

Thanks to not_a_bumblebee who suggested using Barracuda in this film, I can now find actors to play the character. The character could be played by any number of tough imposing black actors including Terry Crews, Michael Clarke Duncan, Wesley Snipes, and Quinton Jackson. Out of those actors, I know two of them for sure can act. Those two are Wesley Snipes and Michael Clarke Duncan. If the Noir Universe version of the character was used, you could have him working for Zahkarov like he did in the comics in that Universe or the regular version of the character could be used.

I think Terry Crews is the best out of all them to play the character. I'm one of the few who enjoyed Daredevil and one of the many who enjoyed Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Parts of the movie may have been lousy but casting Michael Clarke Duncan was a brilliant idea. I would choose him for the role except I don't want to see him typecasted as that kind of character and by casting him, I'd be typecasting him.

Barracuda is the kind of villain that equals the Punisher in terms of skill and ruthlessness. He was trained in the US Army and is a gang leader, so really a more modernish villain for the Punisher. War Zone made the mistake of making the villain Jigsaw a cartoon essentially and that's just one of the reasons why that movie wasn't very good.

Post by not_a_bumblebee (869 posts) See mini bio
 I would love to see Barracuda make his way into the next iteration of The Punisher.  I would cast Terry Crews in the role.  
Post by CrimsonAvenger (1,277 posts) See mini bio

@not_a_bumblebee said:

I would love to see Barracuda make his way into the next iteration of The Punisher. I would cast Terry Crews in the role.

I thought about Barracuda as well but couldn't think of an actor when I was writing this. Terry Crews would be a choice I think, will have to edit that into this and I'll credit you for the suggestion.

Post by not_a_bumblebee (869 posts) See mini bio
Terry Crews only came to mind because I realized that Tony Todd and Ving Rhames are much too old. I think Tommy Lister is a born again Christian and may also be too old.  I forgot that Michael Clarke Duncan existed.  Though if you wanted to do some stunt casting I could see Rampage Jackson or Wesley Snipes playing the role
 
If they decided to use Kingpin and went the Daredevil route I could see Ving Rhames playing him.  I don't have a clue who could play a white Kingpin either because my only thoughts are James Gandolfini  or Arnold Schwarzenegger and both don't feel right.
Post by CrimsonAvenger (1,277 posts) See mini bio

@not_a_bumblebee:

Michael Clarke Duncan was the guy to come to mind when I thought of Barracuda but I thought by casting him, I'd only be typecasting him even more. Snipes is a good choice and he'll be out of prison in time for the film. Rampage Jackson is a good choice, saw him in the A-Team but don't know if he really can act. If Kingpin were the villain, I'm pretty sure he'd be black because that the way I prefer him and he seems cooler as a menacing black guy rather than an overweight white guy.

Post by not_a_bumblebee (869 posts) See mini bio
I just remembered what bugged me the most about Punisher: War Zone.  I would say spoiler but is it really a shocker that The Punisher wins and the bad guys die?  Anyway what irritated me was the The Punisher killed Jigsaw because Frank makes it a point to purposely never kill him.   He literally the only villain in The Punisher  that hedoes not try to kill which is kind of a huge deal and is what makes Jigsaw insane by thinking he is unworthy to be killed. 
Post by Buckwatters (170 posts) See mini bio

I would only question bringing back Thomas Jane, I didn't really care for the 2004 Punisher movie, so seeing Jane as Frank Castle would bring back some really unpleasant memories. Everything else was good though!

Post by MrMazz (1,541 posts) See mini bio

I am loving the directors choice but I'd bring back Ray Stevenson just for the look and I liked him more.

Post by CrimsonAvenger (1,277 posts) See mini bio

@MrMazz:

Yeah, I'm open to seeing him return as Frank Castle. I did like him and I'd like to see how good he could be as The Punisher with a good script and a good director. Still though Thomas Jane defines the role for me. He just nailed the character in my opinion even if the film itself was kind of awful at times.

Post by MrMazz (1,541 posts) See mini bio

@CrimsonAvenger: Man WarZone could of been good if that damn script dropped the Fbombs and actually wrote good dialog. Still its to me the best Punisher movie (which is kinda sad)

Post by CrimsonAvenger (1,277 posts) See mini bio

@MrMazz:

Yeah the dialog was something that really bugged me about the movie. Castle had like nothing to say and everybody else's lines were horrible, especially anything Jigsaw or his brother had to say. It did have some nice action scenes but it felt more like a misfire ( no pun intended) to me. I hear Greg Rucka's current run on Punisher is pretty good so if they based the new movie off of it then I think it could be good.

Post by VioletEyedDragon (1,817 posts) See mini bio

I think Jane and Stevenson both made great Punishers and I would be delighted to see either of them reprise the role (I loved the short "Dirty Laundry"). As for a villain, I was thinking Kathy Bates as Ma Ginusi would be great. I know this is an unpopular choice, but I think Brett Ratner could make a decent Punisher film if he had the right script.

Post by Ghost_of_GhostDad (819 posts) See mini bio

You know that despite everybody shitting on the original The Punisher it is not a bad movie. It is a fun little R rated action movie and Dolph Lundgren is a serviceable Punisher. Honestly I would say it is the best Marvel movie pre-Blade. Actually that doesn't really sound like high praise at all.

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