Game of Thrones: The Ghost of Harrenhal

Topic started by staceywi on April 30, 2012. Last post by smi1ey 1 year ago.
Post by staceywi (142 posts) See mini bio
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Perhaps it was the high expectations at the end of the last episode when we saw the evil smoke demon being born, or perhaps it was just that we are halfway through the season and in a moment of lull before "the storm," but after last night's episode of Game of Thrones I feel a bit, I don't know how best to describe it…unfulfilled. I'm not sure if it was that there was a lack of action (and sex, surprisingly) but right now everything that happens just feels so rushed. It's as if we are checking in with each character to just do a quick status update, but in any singular storyline, there is no time for the action to breath and more importantly for the characters to develop.

Last week we ended on the shocking (especially for those of us who have not read the books) birth of a shadow baby, and we were left with this feeling that a dark and evil night was coming….which while that turned out to be true, it happened in less than a minute. In fact, it was so quick I had looked down at my computer screen and by the time I looked up the smoke baby was gone and so was Renly Baratheon. I suppose this is also a lesson in the fact that you do nothing else while you are watching Game of Thrones, but what was an incredibly pivotal point that changes the political landscape in the fight for the throne (as we have one less contender and Stannis' army has just strengthened exponentially) this incident is mostly undiscussed by the end of the episode. We did see an interesting development later as Brienne joins forces with Catelyn and vows to protect her now that her king has been murdered, and I suspect we are going to see a lot of story come out of this "alliance." But again, the story was left before we could see anything but the union solidify.

We were also treated to a fascinating conversation between Margaery Tyrell and Littlefinger when she reveals that she will not allow her desire to be Queen "die" with Renly, and revealed that she will pretty much align herself with anyone to get what she wants (enter a new partnership with Littlefinger?) However, I found myself hoping she does something about it because I like her and think she is has the potential to be an interesting and powerful female character. I also wish we had lingered with her for a moment longer and really found out how she felt about Renly's death and how exactly she and Littlefinger were going to proceed.

So back to the impact of Renly's murder...

Tyrion and Cersei acknowledge Renly's death as Tyrion expresses his worry about Stannis' strengthening army. Cersei seems to not really care because her beloved incest-baby King Joffrey has some sort of plan. Relying on King Joffrey for anything seems kind of like an insane idea since he is the one that started this entire battle in the first place by ordering the be-heading of Ned Stark. However, now that Tyrion has his rat, he was able to find out what Joffrey/Cersei's plan was and (a staggering stockpile of wildfire). So, short story is - rather than fight, the mother/son duo plan to launch cannons of a combustible substance at their enemies. While on the surface this MIGHT seem like a good idea, I'm not sure about how safe it is keep 7,000 pots of the substance in King's Landing. Foreshadowing? At least Tyrion is sane enough to take control of the stockpile but we have no idea what he actually intends to do with it…use it or get rid of it, we will, again, have to wait to find out.

In what may have been the most lengthy and developed story in this episode we finally get to spend some time with Daenerys Targaryen after she has arrived in the city of Qarth. We see one of the dragons for a quick moment and she lets us know that they are growing up and getting more powerful as "he can now find food on his own." Later at a party, Xaro, proposes marriage to Danerys in exchange for half of what is in his vault to fund her journey to take back the throne. I must say, I don't trust this guy. I know that he is the one that vouched for her, but why won't he actually show her what is in that vault? Luckily she turned down the offer after Ser Jorah promises he will find a ship for her to use and telling her he believes she would not only be a powerful queen, but a loved one. So at this point, other than Robb Stark, it doesn't seem like many of our competitors for the Iron Throne will actually be loved by their people, but rather feared, so the concept of this sat well with me. I actually thought for the first time, I might actually like Daenerys as Queen.

I know that I missed several characters (Bran, Theon, Arya) and possibly even several critical scenes (like Arya commanding murders?), which also lends to my point that there is just so much happening it is hard to keep track, and even harder to remember where each character stands. I know that the writers are doing the best they can with what I assume are fairly dense books…especially since they are following the format in which each season coincides with the events of the book (and they only have 10 episodes to fit everything in), but at this point I almost wish we could extend each episode to two hours to allow the show to actually develop. It is likely that Season 3 might be a bit better as they have chosen to split "A Storm of Swords" up in to two seasons. I don't want to sound too glum, because the show still has a lot of things going for it, I just have to say I wish we could not only just see what is happening with all of the characters, but spend sometime emotionally investing in what is going on in their lives and the land of Westeros.

Post by AlKusanagi (156 posts) See mini bio

Nothing happened? Um... No. This episode is basically like the first domino falling that will set off chains of events that will effect not only the rest of the season, but the entire series.

Post by Skywarpgold (240 posts) See mini bio

I totally agree with you, ten one-hour episodes is not enough to cover everything in the depth that they deserve. That said, having read the books, I am still impressed that they're fitting in as much as they are! What's really crazy, is that there are more and more new scenes that weren't in the books, but I actually really like those, as they flesh out things that were only mentioned in passing in the paper version.

I do wonder sometimes if having all the info from the books allows me to enjoy the show more. Hopefully things will pick up soon so that non-readers can feel as satisfied as I have been.

Post by FLStyle (157 posts) See mini bio

As a fan of universes and lore I loved this episode, it showed a lot of good stuff.

I'm very curious about this apparent assassin(s?) that Arya has looking out for her.

Post by MrMazz (1,541 posts) See mini bio

Your not alone I enjoyed this episode but it was pretty boring. I know it's necessary to lay a foundation before you have it all come burning down but cmon maybe a little battle or something? They need either A more episodes or B more time.

I don't know where the book goes but I really hope Daenerys comes out of it all right. Out of everyone not named Stark,Robb she seems like the only decent person.

Tyrion is flying to close to the sun. He may know how the game is played but like his sister said you either win or die and he is being set up for a fall. Also who is the guy who is basically Death that is working for Arya.

The trailer for next weeks episode looks like we should have a decent Wildlings vs Nights Watch skirmish.

Post by PatVB (3,546 posts) See mini bio
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I kind of agree that this episode was a little boring. It seems like they have so many plots going on that it's impossible to spend a satisfying amount of time on any of them.

Post by csl316 (267 posts) See mini bio

@AlKusanagi said:

Nothing happened? Um... No. This episode is basically like the first domino falling that will set off chains of events that will effect not only the rest of the season, but the entire series.

Indeed, at first I thought it was kind of slow. But what did happen will appear to have repercussions on several fronts (and I haven't read any of the books).

Post by Tarsier (50 posts) See mini bio

i agree 100% to the not letting the show breathe enough . .. 10 episodes is not enough, i knew it when i read the book and now i see it for my own two eyes. they shold have made it at least 12 - 14 episodes to allow for actual realistic progression and character development and immersion into the world. the first season was great but this is falling flat and at this point theres no way it can live up to the books at all. a great sadness.

all that said its still more entertaining than anything else on tv.

Post by Om1kron (27 posts) See mini bio

@AlKusanagi said:

Nothing happened? Um... No. This episode is basically like the first domino falling that will set off chains of events that will effect not only the rest of the season, but the entire series.

Yeah I was actually enthralled the whole time watching the episode. I didn't even sit on my cell phone like I had the last few episodes. I always re-watch when I get to work to absorb little things I may have missed, so I'm also looking forward to my re-watch.

Post by Dylabaloo (821 posts) See mini bio

Thought this episode was much better than last weeks.

Post by JTB123 (42 posts) See mini bio

Really enjoyed this episode, my only problem was how they handled the death of Renly, the way the shadow entered the tent and killed him was handled much better in the book. Probably my favourite episode of season 2 so far though.

Post by gangly (1,273 posts) See mini bio

@Staceywi said:

I know that the writers are doing the best they can with what I assume are fairly dense books...

Well, sort of. The books are dense in a way. Dense with the thousands of years of history that is all important in various ways. Dense with mentions of the 500+ characters that are all doing important things behind the scenes. And Dense with beautiful descriptions of these vast and wildly different locations and cultures. But the pest parts, and what this show (this season in particular) lacks, is the luls.

In the books, we spend days and days with Arya traveling to the wall, terrified every second that someone will find out her secret. We spend weeks with Jon beyond the wall, freezing from the cold and burning in his hand, and trying to be the strong man that he needs to believe he is. And similar vital down-time with everyone. It's then that we get to know these people. Not from them cleverly quipping and fighting, but them reflecting and actually feeling something!

This season has been like a visual plot outline with some one-liners thrown in. As you say, it's hard to remember what happened. And I'd say that's because you never get to see anyone actually feel any repercussions. An event happens, and everyone moves on.

It's great that the next book is being split up into two seasons (and peppered into this one a bit), but as that book is way more "dense" than this one is, I can't imagine them satisfyingly getting around this fundamental problem.

Bummer!

Post by Pop (29 posts) See mini bio

I've read the books and I know what happens and why but when watching the show I wonder if people actually know why stuff is happening, like why did the red priestess give birth to the shadow in that canal and not in the tent, well in the book it's because she was trying to kill someone in that castle not Renly and the shadow had to be born in close proximity to the victim, but in the series it doesn't make sense why she gave birth there and not in the tent. /ADD rant.

Post by Frumpa (66 posts) See mini bio

@Om1kron said:

@AlKusanagi said:

Nothing happened? Um... No. This episode is basically like the first domino falling that will set off chains of events that will effect not only the rest of the season, but the entire series.

Yeah I was actually enthralled the whole time watching the episode. I didn't even sit on my cell phone like I had the last few episodes. I always re-watch when I get to work to absorb little things I may have missed, so I'm also looking forward to my re-watch.

Wow some people have all the cool jobs - I actually have to work when I go to work!

Post by Om1kron (27 posts) See mini bio

@Frumpa said:

@Om1kron said:

@AlKusanagi said:

Nothing happened? Um... No. This episode is basically like the first domino falling that will set off chains of events that will effect not only the rest of the season, but the entire series.

Yeah I was actually enthralled the whole time watching the episode. I didn't even sit on my cell phone like I had the last few episodes. I always re-watch when I get to work to absorb little things I may have missed, so I'm also looking forward to my re-watch.

Wow some people have all the cool jobs - I actually have to work when I go to work!

Get a job at CBS too lol. All of the desks have cable tv's here at studio center =P

Post by smi1ey (140 posts) See mini bio

@Pop said:

I've read the books and I know what happens and why but when watching the show I wonder if people actually know why stuff is happening, like why did the red priestess give birth to the shadow in that canal and not in the tent, well in the book it's because she was trying to kill someone in that castle not Renly and the shadow had to be born in close proximity to the victim, but in the series it doesn't make sense why she gave birth there and not in the tent. /ADD rant.

I can see why the cut that out of the show, but I'm glad I read your post. That's actually much more interesting now.

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