John Carter Is Now Officially The Biggest Bomb Of All Time

Topic started by Rorie on March 20, 2012. Last post by MarkyLark 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by Rorie (3,216 posts) See mini bio
"But how does this is affect my back-end, John? I knew I shouldn&squot;t have taken points!"
"But how does this is affect my back-end, John? I knew I shouldn't have taken points!"

Prior to last month, the biggest box-office failure of all time was either Cutthroat Island (which lost $96 million, adjusted to $147 million by inflation) or last years' Mars Needs Moms, a Disney movie that raked up $136 million in actual-dollar losses for them. The failure of Mars Needs Moms reportedly directly led Disney to change the title of John Carter Of Mars to just John Carter, a move that was roundly criticized at the time, and rightly so: unless you were one of the relatively small group of people who had read the 90-year-old books that the film was based on, the title John Carter offered you no descriptive power for the film or sense of wonder or, well, anything, really.

In light of the theatrical performance of John Carter ($184 million global box office), we expect the film to generate an operating loss of approximately $200 million during our second fiscal quarter ending March 31. As a result, our current expectation is that the studio segment will have an operating loss of between $80 and $120 million for the second quarter.

That move, alongside the widely-derided marketing for the film, is now being credited as causing John Carter to be the single biggest money-losing endeavour in the history of filmmaking. Most estimates of movie losses have to be weeded out through financial statements and shadowy budget reports (since most studios don't reveal marketing costs, or even real budgets most of the time), but to their credit, Disney has pretty much just come out and owned up to the film's failure.

The Hollywood Reporter points out that Disney is no stranger to this kind of loss, having had significant bombs in the last few years with not only Mars Needs Moms, but also Prince Of Persia: Sands Of Time and The Sorcerer's Apprentice. They do have what are bound to be hits in The Avengers and Brave coming up this summer, though, so there's little doubt that that'll help ease the pain from this bloody nose.

I've heard some passionate defenses of the film, and some reviews that were obviously taking glee in piling on a film that was unlikely to be a success, and a lot more middle-of-the-road, "that was ok, I guess" kind of comments. I haven't seen it for myself, but all of the attention it's been getting has at least sparked my attention, even if it has been for mostly negative reasons, and I'll be sure to check it out when it hits Blu-Ray, at least.

Assuming you didn't go see it, either, is the title "biggest bomb of all time" (which is unlikely to be on the DVD box), enough to get you curious enough to see the film when it hits a disc-based format?

Post by Blubba (95 posts) See mini bio

You're the bomb

Post by Jensonb (192 posts) See mini bio

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Post by shenstra (39 posts) See mini bio

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't can lose!

Post by abacus (32 posts) See mini bio

woooooooooooooops.

Post by FriendlyPhoenix (1 posts) See mini bio

I knew it wasn't going to do well but I didn't think it was going to be this much of a giant bomb.

Post by dhechler (1 posts) See mini bio

I would get it from Redbox possibly. I can't say I'm really interested in it, but the "biggest bomb of all time" peaks my interest a bit. That is unless there's another movie that comes out before this one hits DVD that bombs harder. Do you think Disney will push it to DVD as soon as possible or wait until the holidays to try to squeeze out whatever impulse buying there might be for it.

Post by Jolt92 (19 posts) See mini bio

@phoenix534 said:

I knew it wasn't going to do well but I didn't think it was going to be this much of a giant bomb.

I see what you did there.

Holy crap that's bad. I'm probably gonna see it, I like comics and I got a gift card to the theater and I don't really like going to the theater. Unless there's something good running, but I can't find anything that's more interesting than this atm.

Post by CrimsonAvenger (1,277 posts) See mini bio

I still think they're calling this a little early. Give it one more week and we'll wait and see if it can make another decent amount of money overseas. I really loved the film and it is Disney's fault that the movie flopped because they didn't seem to want to market it properly.

Post by abacus (32 posts) See mini bio

Disney Exec: "ok, sure. it was a big bomb. but on the other hand... oh shit. that hand's empty."

Post by DeathByDysentery (10 posts) See mini bio

I definitely will not purchase this film. I have no problem with buying films just because they're bad, but they have to B-movies or hilariously bad. John Carter is just your run-of-the-mill Disney action movie. It's commercial failure cannot convince me to movie that looks no different from that silly Prince of Persia flick.

Post by dhechler (1 posts) See mini bio

@abacus said:

Disney Exec: "ok, sure. it was a big bomb. but on the other hand... oh shit. that hand's empty."

But on the other hand....Miramax....oh wait....

Post by izzy (1 posts) See mini bio
Heard about this yesterday on Twitter with done bad timing. tmblr.co/ZUWrayIFv2cE
Post by AaronG (64 posts) See mini bio

Not surprised there. The movie never really made me want to see it or at least learn a little more about it.

Post by Klarion18 (40 posts) See mini bio

Remember when Taylor Kitsch was poised to be the next big action star? Whoops.

Post by Christoffer (207 posts) See mini bio

So when we're saying "bomb" we specifically mean "box office bomb"? In any other case, Prince of Persia doesn't look like a "bomb" to me. I don't think I understand this bussiness and should continue to stay out of it.

Post by Dallas_Raines (129 posts) See mini bio

Wow, a movie that's almost made two hundred million dollars will be the biggest bomb of all time. It really says a lot about the movie industry and the obscene amount of money they spend on CG cartoons.

Post by MrPink (586 posts) See mini bio

That's disappointing. I wanted to see this one but due to money issues, just couldn't afford it this month. Not that my one ticket would have saved the film anyway.

I still want to see the movie, I am surprised it didn't do better. Maybe it was overkill with the promos and the rising gas prices all combined just made it bad timing. Doubtful many movies will do that well this year, really, aside from possibly The Avengers and Prometheus. Just a guess. Not many are willing to plunk down the $9.00+ to see a movie anymore.

Post by Master_Funk (69 posts) See mini bio

Probably won't be seeing this in the cinemas. Liked the comics but I agree with Alex that the genre moved forward and became a lot more interesting with Star Wars etc.

Post by Romination (693 posts) See mini bio

@dhechler said:

@abacus said:

Disney Exec: "ok, sure. it was a big bomb. but on the other hand... oh shit. that hand's empty."

But on the other hand....Miramax....oh wait....

This is when Disney finally agrees to Kingdom Hearts 3 to recoup losses.

Also, I'm pretty sure Sands of Time wasn't a bomb, per se...

Here's The First Ten Minutes Of John Carter

Disney's movie is doing poorly in tracking, so they release a ten-minute clip that has no aliens or Mars or hot princesses in it. Um, ok!

Trailer 3: John Carter

Disney apparently took the challenge of that actually-decent fan trailer seriously, and decided to beef up this last trailer with...dubstep? Oh, Disney!

Trailer 2: John Carter

This looks like some ridiculous mashup of Attack of the Clones, Stargate, and Wild Wild West. Will it be good? We'll find out in March!

Trailer: John Carter

Dune meets Cowboys and Aliens? This live-action debut of Pixar director Andrew Stanton is based on Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter Of Mars.

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Name John Carter
US Release March 9, 2012
UK Release March 9, 2012
AUS Release March 8, 2012
Runtime 132
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  • In today's dollars
    Domestic $73,078,100
    Foreign +209,700,000
  • = total worldwide gross $282,778,100
  • - a reported budget of $250,000,000
  • = a 13.1% net profit of $32,778,100
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