John Carter

Topic started by Alex on March 9, 2012. Last post by happypup70 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by Alex (325 posts) See mini bio
Moderator

The true tragedy of John Carter won't have anything to do with box office returns, critical scores, or the makings or unmakings of careers. The true tragedy of this decades-in-the-making sci-fi epic is that, in those ensuing decades, scores of ambitious filmmakers have already made versions of John Carter several times over, and done it far better than this well-meaning, if generally unremarkable production ever manages to.

By this, of course I am referring to the source material, author Edgar Rice Burroughs' genre-defining 1917 novel A Princess of Mars and its subsequent serialization, a work that has informed everything from Star Wars to Avatar, with a wide variety of perhaps slightly less culturally ubiquitous works in-between. A Princess of Mars has largely remained unadapted to film due to the sheer scope of Burroughs' vision, and the expense that would come along with it. The sad irony is that in this decade, filmmaking technology finally caught up Burroughs' ideas. Unfortunately, it took so long that the resulting film's cute, if utterly antiquated story manages to feel like a decades-behind also-ran. An also-ran that sits behind films that took their inspiration from the very same material decades earlier.

The titular John Carter (Taylor Kitsch) is a late 19th century millionaire, a former confederate soldier, and also apparently dead. Carter's nephew Edgar (maintaining the novel's "true story" quality) is summoned by Carter for unknown reasons, but arrives too late, discovering his uncle is dead, and that suddenly, his massive fortune and bizarre collection of unearthed artifacts are now his. Additionally, he has been bequeathed his uncle's personal journal, which tells a fantastical tale of warring races, political backstabbing, and a beautiful young princess--all of which exist on Mars.

One of the great failures of Disney's painfully inept marketing campaign for John Carter is that it fails to explain to the audience how a Southern gentleman of a cranky temperament managed to, you know, get his ass to Mars. Ironically, that's one of the better pieces of storytelling in John Carter. We first meet the hero as a grizzled prospector in the Arizona territory, circa 1881. He's been assailed by a louse of a Cavalry captain (Bryan Cranston, continuing his plot to be in every movie made between now and his eventual death) who wants him to help fight the Apaches. Things happen, suddenly there's a horse chase with angry Apaches, and Carter and the captain find themselves in a mysterious cave rife with strange markings. That cave becomes even stranger when a pale, bald-headed man suddenly materializes inside the cave, and after a brief fracas, leaves behind a medallion that transports Carter to a wholly new place.

Initially, Carter doesn't even realize he's in a new place. In one of John Carter's cleverer moments, the hero finds himself in a somewhat familiar-looking desert landscape, but somehow able to leap giant chunks of space as if he were just skipping along. The conceit here is, of course, that Carter's previous existence on a planet with a greater gravitational pull makes him Mars' equivalent of Superman, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound and gifted with superhuman strength. He's not invincible, but he's close enough.

This makes Carter enough of an intriguing prospect/threat to capture the attention of the various warring tribes of Mars, which include the multi-armed, green-skinned sect of seemingly primitive tribal Martians, and at least two factions of human-like, reddish-skinned Martians, whose war with one another tends to spill out onto the rest of the planet. The more nefarious Zodangan group are evidently in bed with a league of Watcher-like aliens not originally of Mars, who for reasons more or less unexplained, seek to help Zodanga take over the more peaceful city state of Helium and bring about the end of Mars.

Exhausted yet? It's a lot of plot to take in, and regrettably, the script by Michael Chabon, Mark Andrews, and first-time live action feature director Andrew Stanton (who you may recall from his days at Pixar directing the likes of Finding Nemo and WALL-E) tries to dump a lot of the exposition required to get the audience up to speed on all of this in the early goings, leading to a dragging pace that often seems to move in fits and starts. A great five minute sequence will be followed by nearly 15 minutes of characters just explaining things in heavy-handed, melodramatic fashion. By the time the movie gets past its 90 minute mark, that need for exposition mostly goes away and Stanton goes a bit more wild with the CG-heavy set-piece battles, but the build-up to get there is so laborious that those sequences are robbed of a good chunk of their thrill.

Exposition-heavy sci-fi can, of course, work. The bigger issue is the method of delivery here. Stanton remains absolutely true to the classic, pulpy style of storytelling Burroughs employed, but that pulp factor causes many of John Carter's talkiest sequences to register as hammy and overwrought in a way that feels less reverent than severely outdated. Any time Carter and his would-be love interest, the science-loving princess of Helium played breathlessly by Lynn Collins, are forced to talk to each other while bullets and swords aren't flying around every which way, you'd swear you just walked into one of the Star Wars prequels. It's not that their performances are awful, but the dialogue is so specifically tuned to the style of early 20th century science fiction that every sentence feels like it just time traveled in from a bygone era.

Some will likely cite this as Stanton's desire to remain true to Burroughs' original vision, but there's no reason why the hokeyness of the dialogue and plot couldn't be more finely tuned to account for the advances in storytelling since, well, 1917. And it's not like Stanton and his screenwriters don't make changes elsewhere for the sake of making a cinematic John Carter more coherent. Characters and concepts that existed pretty much nowhere in Burroughs' series show up here, some for the better--such as the giant arena battle that makes for the film's most thrilling action sequence, due in no small part to the addition of giant, blind ape beasts--and some for the utterly inexplicable.

Take the omnipresent Watcher aliens, who seem to exist more as a potential antagonist for a sequel than anything particularly useful to this plot. What they do offer this particular movie, a sort of blue-hued magical energy source that they allow the head of the Zodangan (Dominic West, having a decent amount of fun with a barely-written villain character) to harness because he can be easily controlled, is little more than a corny, magical McGuffin. And while Mark Strong is an actor well-suited to playing cinematic assholes, his turn as the head of the ill-defined alien order is mostly just kind of dull.

I found myself using that word a lot when thinking about John Carter. For a movie that features a hero who can leap hundreds of feet in the air, who kills something close to an entire thundering horde of nasty, snarling aliens, and who has a tattooed babe of a princess more or less at his disposal, I was mystified by how generally underwhelming much of John Carter felt. The special effects are absolutely top notch, which you can especially see in the green-skinned Martians. Stanton's direction of the action scenes is solid, and he pulls a few unexpected moments of joy out of some fairly standard-sounding sequences. Even the 3D is fine, though generally unnecessary.

The problem is the storytelling. It's too lumbering, too plodding, and not nearly mindful enough of the audience's attention to ever come together. Even though it's only a good bit over two hours, John Carter feels bloated to the point of bursting, mostly due to its aggressive need to explain the entirety of a world's political history in a relatively short span of screen time. A more focused plot, better dialogue, and some serious reining in of the more cheesily pulpy elements of the source material unquestionably would have aided John Carter in becoming the entertaining franchise starter Disney clearly meant this movie to be. As it is, John Carter regrettably feels like a very shiny relic, dusted and polished to a glistening sheen in the hopes of looking fresh and new, but ultimately unable to sit among the best of modern sci-fi without looking sadly antiquated.

Post by OldGuy (130 posts) See mini bio
Well, darn. :-(
 
Still, I love "A Princess of Mars" so I'll go see it.
Post by Moviemaniac (366 posts) See mini bio

Ign gave it four out of five stars. I am still going to see it, even though I am extremely disapointed that Alex gave it two stars (I'm probably going to disagree with him big).

Comic Book Movie review was also very positive. Two of out three reviews of the websites I respect, means I'll be going to see it. Shame Alex had to be the only negative one.

Also Avatar was only good with it's special effects and use of 3D, it's story stunk like the pits and it had bland characters. The John Carter trailer had me more invested in it's story than the entire plot of Avatar.

Post by gangly (1,273 posts) See mini bio

Wonderfully balanced and well argued review, Alex. I had hoped that an animation Director could rise above all of the necessary but dull exposition in this story. Especially the director of fucking WALL-E, which more than almost any other movie is praised for it's non-verbal storytelling!

I still feel like the blame can't be squarely placed in Stanton's hands though, as this really just reeks of a film made by comitee, which inevitably creates a hollow film.

Post by CashBailey (1,574 posts) See mini bio

Pretty much what I expected, then.

Shame.

Post by Max21 (28 posts) See mini bio

I think this will be the first time I ever disagree with a review from Alex, but hey I haven't seen it yet, I'm hoping I like it more then he did

Post by ZombiePie (167 posts) See mini bio

Me and my roommate might see this regardless of quality. I'm dealing with a lot of stress and watching a big dumb action movie with lots of explosions might help.

Post by Little_Socrates (158 posts) See mini bio

Still looks and sounds like a dreadfully similar film to the awful Star Wars prequels, especially Attack of the Clones.

Post by iAmJohn (90 posts) See mini bio

@Little_Socrates said:

Still looks and sounds like a dreadfully similar film to the awful Star Wars prequels, especially Attack of the Clones.

So glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

Post by gangly (1,273 posts) See mini bio

@ZombiePie: I like doing the same thing, but going with an untested medication may have risky results. I prefer to stick with my usual prescription.

Post by avidwriter (15 posts) See mini bio

Guess this is what everyone expected. I hope Hunger Games fairs better.

Post by Christoffer (207 posts) See mini bio

If I go see this it's because I want to see more strange and obscure comics turned into movies. But maybe this wasn't that obscure to begin with? I dunno. The point is, when do I get my 300 mil Moebius block buster?

Post by MrMazz (1,541 posts) See mini bio
while bullets and swords aren't flying around every which way, you'd swear you just walked into one of the Star Wars prequels

OUch.

Man I had hoped this movie would turn out to be good but not so much it would appear. Guess I'll watch Star Wars and Hunger Games now.

The Mouse really screwed up the marketing for this everything was SOULESS. And come on taking out the of mars part to appeal to women who would of had to seen the trailer to see the title.

Post by mbkish (257 posts) See mini bio

Can't say I am surprised by any of this. I wasn't really interested in it before so I guess this one isn't for me. Thanks Alex.

Post by louiedog (85 posts) See mini bio

I was just looking at the listings for the big multiplex in town and see that John Carter is only on one screen, which is 3D, with the exception of a single 2D showing that took place in the early afternoon. That's extremely unusual for that theater. Movies like this would normally be on at least two screens opening weekend. The Lorax still has two screens. It could just be that there isn't room because some of the big Oscar movies are still playing, but there's some real stinkers that are still playing that are over a month old.

Post by Little_Socrates (158 posts) See mini bio

@iAmJohn said:

@Little_Socrates said:

Still looks and sounds like a dreadfully similar film to the awful Star Wars prequels, especially Attack of the Clones.

So glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

said:

Any time Carter and his would-be love interest, the science-loving princess of Helium played breathlessly by Lynn Collins, are forced to talk to each other while bullets and swords aren't flying around every which way, you'd swear you just walked into one of the Star Wars prequels.

Hah! Wow, I totally missed this sentence the first time through. I don't get what part of this isn't basically the Star Wars prequels except for maybe the set-up. Well, that and the fact that it's not trying its damnedest to ruin a trilogy of well-regarded films.

Post by altairre (22 posts) See mini bio

I rarely judge a movie based on trailers but god damn those trailers looked awful and surprise, the film really IS awful (or not good at least). I´m a fan of dumb action movies but this one? No thank you, sir. Good review by the way, I enjoyed reading it.

Post by msavo (127 posts) See mini bio
Thanks for the review Alex. I was expecting to skip it at the point where you mention the movie is just flat out dull and my dad literally calls me and asks if I want to go see it wi him... I'll take the bullet but I'm not happy about it.
Post by litrock (560 posts) See mini bio

I disagreed with nearly every part of this review. I really dug the movie, despite its problems (mostly due to how old fashioned it is). A review from me, if you'd like to see a dissenting opinion.

Post by Stinky2 (7 posts) See mini bio

damn. was hoping for this one.

Here's The First Ten Minutes Of John Carter

Disney's movie is doing poorly in tracking, so they release a ten-minute clip that has no aliens or Mars or hot princesses in it. Um, ok!

Trailer 3: John Carter

Disney apparently took the challenge of that actually-decent fan trailer seriously, and decided to beef up this last trailer with...dubstep? Oh, Disney!

Trailer 2: John Carter

This looks like some ridiculous mashup of Attack of the Clones, Stargate, and Wild Wild West. Will it be good? We'll find out in March!

Trailer: John Carter

Dune meets Cowboys and Aliens? This live-action debut of Pixar director Andrew Stanton is based on Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter Of Mars.

blog The Next JOHN CARTER?? VioletEyedDragon
news Best Movies of 2012: Matthew Marko MatthewMarko
review John - ah - ah - Saviour of the Universe! (3 out of 5) etragedy
news DVD/Blu-Ray: June 5th staceywi
blog 3-D Report: February & March 2012 VioletEyedDragon
review John Carter (B) (3 out of 5) VioletEyedDragon
review John Carter and the weight of wait (3 out of 5) ruckus24
news John Carter Is Now Officially The Biggest Bomb Of All Time Rorie
50 votes, 2.8 avg.
General Information Edit
Name John Carter
US Release March 9, 2012
UK Release March 9, 2012
AUS Release March 8, 2012
Runtime 132
Language(s)
Add a new language
Genre(s)
Add a new genre
Theme(s)
Add a new theme
Rating PG-13
Alias(es) John Carter of Mars
Top Rated Lists
Next Years Anticipated Films (2012) a list of 27 items by Guyver0yk
Netflix Overflow a list of 111 items by HattieSandelson
Complete list of movies I saw in theaters in 2012 a list of 18 items by Moviemaniac
  • In today's dollars
    Domestic $73,078,100
    Foreign +209,700,000
  • = total worldwide gross $282,778,100
  • - a reported budget of $250,000,000
  • = a 13.1% net profit of $32,778,100
Top Editors
Mandatory Network

Submissions can take several hours to be approved.

Save ChangesCancel