Moving On: Rethinking The Finale Of Lost

Topic started by Rorie on Oct. 4, 2011. Last post by ThePickle 3 months, 2 weeks ago.
Post by Rorie (3,214 posts) See mini bio
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The indignity of a last supper is only added to by having to eat Dharma Initiative products.
The indignity of a last supper is only added to by having to eat Dharma Initiative products.

Lost was a pretty big part of my television-watching life, if not my personal life, for quite a few years; it was one of the few shows that I’ve ever considered “appointment viewing,” and, for that matter, one of the few shows that was regularly a social occasion as well as just an opportunity to watch TV. I watched it, I thought about it, I talked about it, I speculated about it. It was consistently great television, with flashes of absolute brilliance. It also deserves a lot of credit for knowing when it should end and working towards that ending, rather than sticking around for a few years too long. [Spoilers are obviously going to be rampant throughout this piece, so stop reading now if you haven’t watched the show and wish to do so at some point in the future.]

I likely would’ve hated any ending to the show, as much as I liked the series as a whole, but even now, two years later, I still have a hard time dealing with the climactic twist that the showrunners delivered to us: that the entire flash-sideways plotline in the final season was some form of purgatory, designed to allow the inhabitants of the island to come together in the afterlife and “move on” together into a blinding flash of light, presumably some kind of heaven.

On the one hand, putting myself in Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof’s shoes, I know that there was no amount of question-answering that would’ve satisfied the true believers out there. The resolution of the island plotline was actually mostly satisfactory to me, aside from the too-quick death of the Man In Black and the epic-level absurdity of that plane actually taking off; I would’ve loved to know more about the origin of the MIB or who built the cave structure that contained the heart of the island, or any of another million unanswered questions, but magicians never reveal their secrets, or, perhaps, never knew the answer to those questions themselves, as Damon Lindelof might have recently explained. Perhaps it’s best to think of Lost as some kind of koan, something that can’t be explained but instead is best left to the intuition. Maybe it’s not “about” anything, instead existing as a vehicle for you to imagine what it’s about.

I should probably talk more about Lost at some point when it’s appropriate and I can collect my thoughts, but again: a good portion of the running time in the sixth season was given over to a flash-sideways, in which each of the prominent island castaways wound up finding each other, touching each other, realizing that they knew each other in some other life, and gathering at a church to “move on,” in the words of Jack Shephard’s father, supposedly because they all formed a powerful collective memory during their time on the island. It doesn’t entirely hold up to scrutiny, as there’s a baby in the church that was unlikely to have had any strong memories of the island, as well as characters that died shortly after they arrived there.

That said, it’s still an opportunity for some moments that are, irrespective of how you feel about the plotline, quite beautiful and touching. And I suspect that that was more important to Lindelof, Cuse, et al than the notion of the flash-sideways revelation being one last twist in a series known for them. It was a twist, sure: I honestly didn’t see it coming until Jack and Christian had their conversation inside the church. (Although all the lingering shots of Christ statues and crosses probably should’ve tipped me off.) The montage sequences that played out whenever character re-connected in their purgatorial lives, the sudden recollections, the knowing look in everyone’s eyes when they finally made the connection; it was all a bit over-the-top, but damn if it didn’t work, in the sense that I was pretty misty-eyed throughout most of it.

It feels like, looking back on it now, that the side-flash was more of a celebration of the series and a way for Abrams/Cuse/Lindelof to step back and say “Hey, we created something that millions of people loved” than an attempt at fooling their audience. There was certainly fooling going on (“Why the hell’s Sawyer a cop now?”, etc.) but the side-flash, and its resolution...how to say this? I think that what Christian tells Jack, in the vein of “you created this place to come together and remember your lives before moving on,” could be applied just as much to the actors and crew, and viewers, of Lost as it can to the characters that exist in the universe of the show. It’s a savvy thing, to build in a moment to reflect on a series into the actual series finale. Certainly, other shows have ended in teary cast reunions, but that would’ve been all but impossible to do with Lost due to the number of deaths and the other various fates of the characters. The side-flash seems like it was a way to get around the vagaries of the show’s “reality” and allow the show-runners to bring back the cast members that viewers had become attached to, and actors that they had worked with, in a celebration of the achievements that Lost had accumulated. They must’ve had a hell of a party after filming that church scene.

Puppy!
Puppy!

In that sense, it’s probably not worth speculating too much on the precise meaning on the side-flash. (Although the news that Carlton Cuse is developing a faith-based drama project with a Michigan pastor might shed some light on the specific theology that the show’s creators was emphasizing.) The side-flash itself, in the end, did not need to exist; the fact that it did was intended to provide closure to the characters without spelling out precisely what happened to them in their time after the island. In different hands, there would’ve been some American Graffiti-esque end cards, detailing the lives and deaths of the prominent characters after they escape from the island. The side-flash seems to me now to be more of an attempt to provide an ultimate resolution to those characters’ lives, while also helping the rabid fanbase transition to a life after Lost, while also leaving the door open for any spin-offs if the creators should wish to pursue them in the future.

Perhaps all of this is just rationalization; I would love there to be an ultimate answer to everything on Lost, but in the end, the finale of the show seems to me to be just as rooted in the real-world desires of the show’s creators as it was in the motivations of the characters in the show itself. That’s a little meta, but I think it makes sense, as much as anything in the world of Lost can make sense.

We’re now almost a year and a half removed from the ending of Lost, which I certainly consider to be among my all-time favorite shows, and certainly my favorite show-watching experience of my lifetime. It was an excuse to get together with friends on a Tuesday night and discuss the latest mysterious events, and in that sense, the finale spurred one of the greater discussions in recent television history, even if we discard the generally rabid discussions regarding its relative quality. But what do you think, now, having had a year to think about it? Does the finale make sense?

Did it need to?

Post by Everyones_A_Critic (788 posts) See mini bio

I didn't read this, since I still hold to the pipe dream that I'll sit down and watch LOST one day. BUT I'd love to see a Sopranos edition of this feature.

Post by psychpunk (271 posts) See mini bio

I liked it a lot when I saw it. And I'm still totally fine with it, but I think it might have been a little too final. I haven't had the desire to go back and marathon the whole series, which is something I had been planning to do before the finale, so I don't know what the says.

Post by ThePickle (2,751 posts) See mini bio

TOPICAL.

I stopped liking Lost after season 3. When it shifted from human drama with some supernatural elements to bad sci fi stuff. I do think a lot of the stuff they did with the later seasons was cool, but not something that makes it an interesting show to watch all of.

The finale? Meh. A lot of convoluted bullshit, overhyping, but some solid character stuff. A lot like the three seasons that preceded it.

This is the first time I've thought about Lost since the finale (or podcast where they discussed the finale). Now that it's lost (JOKES) the "What's gonna happen next week?" thing it has nothing else to offer the world. It does not seem like a show that will age well. Later societies are going to look back and see the middling drama and nonsense fantasy and mock that it was once a zeitgeist for TV of the 00's, like we may mock something like Dallas. It's lost all relevancy and I'm amazed this article actually exists. Move on people!

Post by BL1TZKRI3G (14 posts) See mini bio

@psychpunk said:

I liked it a lot when I saw it. And I'm still totally fine with it, but I think it might have been a little too final. I haven't had the desire to go back and marathon the whole series, which is something I had been planning to do before the finale, so I don't know what the says.

Honestly, after all that time, my thoughts on the finale haven't changed one bit. They're somewhat positive, but I will say this: the final episode was amazing. The last five minutes of that episode, maybe not so much? I would've preferred a less.. final cut, as you said. If we're to have our questions unanswered, the "plot" should be kept open, right? It doesn't really matter. At first it was the whole "my questions about the island are still unanswered!" now it's more about closure, I realize. It gave me closure when it comes to the characters, even though they "americanized" it a bit too much.

All in all I'm pleased, and I loved the article.

Post by snide (167 posts) See mini bio
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Disappointment. Felt the same way about Battlestar Galactica. Loved the ride of both shows, but you can't lead the audience on a crazy journey and not settle your mystery.

Best end to a long running show continues to be The Shield. Ended as it started.

Post by activatetheasset (63 posts) See mini bio

I really enjoyed the ending of Lost. I realized like so many people that Lost had gone so far up it's own ass in 6 years that there would be no way to answer all of the questions that they had raised. So instead of making the finale about answers, they made it about the characters.

As much as I enjoy a series with a long running story arc, what really brings me back to any series is characters that I've grown to know and have become invested in. I think that no matter what sort of solutions could have been revealed at the end it would have just ended in disappointment. But there was something deeply satisfying about seeing the whole cast coming back together one last time before the end. The last season and the flash sideways was not my favorite in terms of story, but as an excuse to get to see characters again, I was very satisfied.

Post by Delta_Assault (249 posts) See mini bio

The first season of Lost was amazing. Everything that came after is now just a blurry haze of mediocrity and disappointment to me.

Post by Fantasgasmic (53 posts) See mini bio

LOST sucked! 80 to 90% of it is either red herrings, plot holes, deus ex machina, or a combination of the aforementioned. The idea that they made an alternate reality purgatory seems to be a nod (or maybe a "fuck you") to all the fans/critics who theorized in season 1 that the island was purgatory, and all the survivors died in the plane crash. Of course that theory was immediately shot down by J.J. Abrams or whomever. The writers obviously had no idea where they were going when they started the show, so they just said that they did and that it would be shocking and you'd never guess it. This vague Barnum statement lead people to either give up on the show and write it off as bullshit (myself included), or made the people who stuck around buy into the hype based on effort justification (or possibly the contrast effect). Basically the scenario is: I'm suffering for some goal, I wouldn't choose to suffer for a thing that sucks, I must really like this thing… it's a lot like hazing.

Post by SSully (177 posts) See mini bio

@activatetheasset: I feel the same way pretty much. Lost hooked me in so many different ways, with characters I loved, situations that had me on the edge of my seat, and the many questions that I pondered about during my day and talked about with my friends.

So ending the show with all questions answered would be impossible, and even if they did answer most of them I never would have been satisfied. They did a smart move by ending the show with the characters. Sure I am left with questions still, but I at least have some closer with the characters of the show, and with a show this so damn big that is saying a lot. I was happy with the ending, and honestly don't know of any way I would have done it differently.

Post by skrutop (679 posts) See mini bio

I marathon'd seasons 1-5 then watched season 6 as it came out. After the show ended, I never looked back, and I still don't miss the show. It was good TV, but ultimately it just couldn't hold up under the weight of expectations. The ending was done with class, but also manipulative in that it went for the heartstrings but never wrapped up what it needed to wrap up. It was fine for what it was, but the last few seasons needed a rewrite, not just the final episode.

Post by BatmanReturned (16 posts) See mini bio

Rewatched the entire series run earlier this year and a year removed from the finale and the slight disappointment in the aftermath of the lack of answers going back to the whole show was quite an experience. Much like Rorie Lost was an important part of my life for six years. I was there every week and the only episodes I ever missed were either due to emergency or being out of the country. Took me a few months of some hard watching to get through the whole run but during the finale it all just clicked.

During the initial viewing I had got a little misty eyed during the church sequence too as most everyone did but the second time through about 2/3 of the way through The End at about the point Hurley realizes Jack is planning on going to his death I got completely choked up. At just the characters mental state and I knowing what was to come was totally invested in the moment and. As the remainder of the episode played out I continued to become more emotional. Nothing in entertainment has ever got that reaction out of me.

It was the pent up emotions of six years of my life, hanging with friends coming up with theories the next day at high school, to college debating my roommate over who was better Jack or Locke, or hanging at my older brothers apartment and watching it together, or speeding down the highway trying to make it home in time after work. It was an integral part of my life and I realized I wasn't emotional about what was on the screen I was emotional that it was over. That that was gone.

Post by Polygon_Wizard (86 posts) See mini bio

The entire last season of Lost was a complete waste of time and a crappy way for the show to go out. They ignored a lot of things that had been set up early on in the show and they ignored things that had been set up closer towards the end. They ignored things that were set up to be very important to the show that were just dropped in the final season.

There are a ton of unanswered things from Lost. I never expected the show to answer them all, but I also never expected them to ignore several major mysteries either. Someone needs to redo the entire last season of that show and give it a proper sendoff instead of the vague crap we got.

To put it simply, the last season of Lost and the finale soured me on the whole series, despite me having loved the show up until that point.

Post by psychpunk (271 posts) See mini bio

I think if there's one thread and redeeming aspect that ties together all of Lost outside all of the hype and usual go-tos as far as the show's appeal, it's Jack's character arc.

Post by Octaslash (15 posts) See mini bio

I was more invested with the characters than the mysteries, so I was okay with it. However, I don't think I could re-watch that last season again, knowing the side-flashes were almost completely pointless.

My favorite series finale has to be Angel's. A lot of people took it as a cliffhanger, but I think they missed the point.

You are right, this is little more than self-rationalisation. I loved Lost but the final series and in particular that final episode were just appallingly bad.

Flash sideways was all about character closure (meta closure, even)? How could that be when they turned all of the characters I'd been following for years completely upside down for the sake of a cheap, pseudo religious plot device that you could smell a mile off?! There was not one of the flash-sideways character reinventions that I cared for and I genuinely felt betrayed by the way the producers effectively wiped the slate clean. All of that emotional investment I'd built up for Kate, Sawyer, etc, was for nought. "Hey, look, everybody is happy now and will live happily every after in their rainbow coloured afterlife". F that! These were people with huge character flaws and interesting back stories that are now magically 'all OK'. Just shockingly badly written.

Sure, they'd painted themselves into a corner with so many character and plot twists by that point, but frankly anything would have been better than what they actually served up (even unanswered questions are more satisfying to the fanboy than hastily put together answers that neither fit the rest of the world or shed any real light on proceeding events). I agree that Lost will not age well, precisely because they failed to really follow through on what they started. I honestly think they should have gone full-on crazy and burned out the final episode on a massive open ended cliffhanger but instead the ending to Lost feels like a huge cop out.

Post by bkbroiler (47 posts) See mini bio

To people that wanted absolutely every question answered: midichlorians. Do you REALLY want to know how everything works in the world? The island is magic. There you go! I'm not disappointed in the answers we got with the show or with the last season.

I found the last episode incredibly moving. Like some people here, I was more interested in the characters than anything else at that point, and I thought in that respect the show wrapped up nicely.

Really, the creators were never going to please anybody with how the show ended. It became impossible.

Post by Gildermershina (27 posts) See mini bio

I liked the end of Lost quite a bit. I felt it was a good emotional pay-off, even the sideways reveal. There were a lot of things I think deserved answers, or at least better answers than MiB saying "yup, that was me impersonating your father all that time (but lets move on because if you think about it too long it doesn't make any sense...)." Maybe some explanation, for example, as to why the kill-Jacob-escape-the-island plan was so damn convoluted. I now feel like some of the overall plot doesn't hang together that well. But, told in a linear fashion, learning things as you go, I think it's still a really great thrill ride.

It bugs me though, I have spoken to people who hated the finale because they misunderstood it to mean that the entire show was purgatory (not sure how you do that, it was pretty clear about it, I thought). How much of the reaction to the finale is this misunderstanding? I wonder if some people watching the show were enjoying it for reasons different to me.

One thing I really like about Lost is that beside the character drama of it all, there is a modern mythological element to it, in a Stephen King kind of way. They encounter all these higher powers, supernatural forces and elements of destiny and fate, and they cannot frame them in their own understanding of the world. Yet, everything we learn about their lives before and after the island reinforces their role on the island, their role in the "game", that everything happened for a reason. It's something they hit very early on, that these people were "lost" before they ever crash-landed on an island, and in time they find their place. Some accept it, some do not. It's as much about the characters and their archetypes as the over-arching plot. The flash-sideways for me served to bookend and reinforce everything that happens in between.

So in a sense, I don't really care if it doesn't all made perfect sense and got tied up in a big neat bow, I really just wanted them to reach the end of their journeys. I would have liked if maybe they had set an episode between the smoke monster's emergence and Alpert's arrival to better establish the rules of the game, and deal more with the nature of the island and such, but I came away emotionally satisfied by the characters reaching their ends, and doubly-so by seeing beyond that to a place where they can come to terms with their lives.

But's that's just me.

Post by TheToope (6 posts) See mini bio

@snide said:

Disappointment. Felt the same way about Battlestar Galactica. Loved the ride of both shows, but you can't lead the audience on a crazy journey and not settle your mystery.

Best end to a long running show continues to be The Shield. Ended as it started.

Gotta call you out on this. Completely agree about Lost. The end simply didn't fit with what the rest of the series had been.

BSG, however, was far more fitting. From Day 1, and consistently throughout the life of the show, theology had been a major component. I had absolutely no qualms about how it ended, because it fit with what had preceded it.

Don't mean to pick on you, but I always get irked when people compare the Lost finale to BSG.

Post by MediumDave (4 posts) See mini bio

I still think the end is hot, fucking garbage that has dissuaded me from ever wanting to watch the show again. I was also disappointed with the end to Battlestar Galactica. The ending to LOST taught a valuable lesson in how much worse things could be. I once heard LOST's ending described as "a wet, gnostic fart," and I still hold that to be the most telling description of end to a series I (mostly) enjoyed.

It's not a lack of questions being answered that crushed my spirit, it was the lazy, wanky way in which everything was happily, new age bullshit wrapped up. It stank of a series with no creative vision, or worse, BAD creative vision.

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