Mad Men Delayed Until Early 2012 Because Of Product Placement?

Topic started by AndrewGodoski on March 29, 2011. Last post by Parsnip 2 years, 1 month ago.
Post by AndrewGodoski (141 posts) See mini bio
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C'mon, Don. A Bud Light sign would totally make your office look badass.
C'mon, Don. A Bud Light sign would totally make your office look badass.

Well, so much for Matt Weiner’s negotiations with Lionsgate and AMC getting close. AMC has officially announced that season five will moving ahead, despite a deal with Weiner not being in place. Here’s their statement:

"AMC has officially authorized production of season 5 of Mad Men, triggering our option with Lionsgate. While we are getting a later start than in years past due to ongoing, key non-cast negotiations, Mad Men will be back for a fifth season in early 2012."

Early 2012? That’s a pretty substantial delay. Deadline has even more details about the ongoing negotiations. Wiener would make about $30 million over the next two years with the new deal that’s being discussed. What’s holding it up is his resistance to certain things AMC/Lionsgate are calling for:

“Integrating product placement into the series, cutting 2 minutes from each episode's running time in favor of more commercials and eliminating/reducing two regular cast members to save money.”

These measures are, of course, aimed at cutting the cost of the show, which, despite its huge successes, doesn’t pull in the monster ratings that other network heavyweights do. Now, I’ve got to say that for the most part I think Weiner is doing the right thing by resisting some of the requests. Product placement in a show that revolves around an advertising agency could have a heavy impact on the actual story being told in each episode. The same can be said about cutting out two cast members. Mad Men is a standout because of its storytelling and I’d certainly be wary of anything that could have an effect on the actual writing of the series.

That being said, I think the both parties will eventually come to some kind of compromise. The running time is something that can certainly be negotiated. Previously, Mad Men was allowed to run over its allotted time so they could add in more commercials without cutting into the actual running time of the show. All this talk about product placement and commercials makes me think of one thing...


Post by Toxin066 (741 posts) See mini bio
The hell?! That's half a year away!  
 
I'm confused as to why they're trying to get in more commercials and more product placement, while cutting out two main characters. I thought the point of the product placement and commercials was to get more money?
 
This whole thing seems kind of.... mad.
Post by Asadasa5 (10 posts) See mini bio
A delay into 2012 I could deal with, but two cut characters and less running time? This is the worst news.
Post by JokerSmilez (437 posts) See mini bio
So, there wasn't product placement before? 
 
Characters have talked about or hyped Heineken, Stolichnaya, Honda, VW, Mountain Dew, Samsonite and more and they've always managed to do it in a way that felt part of the story and the setting. 
 
Mad Men has always struck me as the kind of show that can get away with product placement and do it in a tasteful manner. 
 
I think I can wait until 2012 for the new season, but I don't like the sound of getting rid of characters for budget purposes.
Post by notoriousbcb (51 posts) See mini bio
Can't believe they are recommending cutting two characters.
 
I thought AMC did a great job with the commercial structure and timing as is. . .loved Unilever's "themed" ads as well as the product history quoted for the different sponsors at the end of each break.
 
2012 - wow.  Hope the world hasn't ended before the season starts.
Post by ThatFrood (321 posts) See mini bio
@Toxin066 said:

" The hell?! That's half a year away!  
 
I'm confused as to why they're trying to get in more commercials and more product placement, while cutting out two main characters. I thought the point of the product placement and commercials was to get more money?
 
This whole thing seems kind of.... mad. "

This does not make me happy... it makes me... mad
Yes. It makes me very very mad! I am a MAD MAN.
  
 
Also, gosh, I really hope everything works out. Plenty may disagree with me, but Mad Men is the best show on television.
Post by Chadster (111 posts) See mini bio
AMC: "It's your job! I give you money, you give me TV shows!" 
Weiner: "You never say thank you!" 
AMC: "That's what the money is for!"
Post by MGear (38 posts) See mini bio
I can understand the advertisement requests, but cutting two characters from the series is just ridiculous.
Post by numberThirtyOne (4 posts) See mini bio
Well Hurrah for TV networks again. Underperform even a little out of the gate, and they cancel your ass before you have a chance to gain momentum. Become one of the best and most acclaimed shows of all time, and they commence the squeezing and milking.  It's sad when all that needs to happen is for people to stay out of the way and let a great thing continue to be great and they CAN NOT DO IT... 
 
Exec 1: "So what if we made this show 5% more profitable by making it %15 more shitty?" 
Exec 2: Eyes morph into dollar signs. "It's a start, but we should also delay the show another 6 months so we lose as much audience as possible while we're at it"
Post by HandsomeDead (1,691 posts) See mini bio
AMC is quickly becoming a disaster. I understand that being the prestige channel meant it wasn't making much money, but on the back of the shite known as The Walking Dead, they seem to have made nothing but bad moves and are on their way to being just another cable network.
Post by Walreese55 (250 posts) See mini bio
While cutting two characters and running time while putting in fucking product placement are good reasons to protest, Matt Weiner has to shut the fuck up if he's going to get $15 million a year. He definitely deserves the payday, because I do believe that Mad Men is a great show, but come on. At the very least, give up two million a year to keep the two cast members. What can you buy with $15 million that you can't with $13 million. AMC/Lionsgate are run by douches but I will respect Weiner less if he is not willing to give $15 million and accept something as "paltry" as 10 mil
Post by WalkerTR77 (523 posts) See mini bio
Rubicon is gone, and mad men doesn't return till 2012!? Poor show AMC. If I can have mad men back this year, I'm prepared to let go of Betty Draper (get rid of her regardless) and possibly Bert Cooper since he's on the way out anyway. Swap Drapers "What?" for a quizzical grunt and you cut 2 minutes pretty easily. Job done.
Post by alternate (71 posts) See mini bio
AMC only has one decent show and still they fuck it up.  Well guess what AMC - you will get no press interest now until 2012.  I understand they are a small player but they are goinfg to stay small if they try to nickel and dime their star show.
Post by Lydian_Sel (2,023 posts) See mini bio

 "eliminating/reducing two regular cast members to save money.

This is the part that makes me cringe. I'm still not over Sal getting fired, I'm not ready to loose anybody else.
Post by Lobster_Ear (34 posts) See mini bio
As long as they don't fuck with Breaking Bad I'm good, but sucks for Mad Men fans I guess...
Post by jakob187 (969 posts) See mini bio
The show is, in and of itself, a perfect place FOR product placement.  Heineken has done it (amongst many others) so far.  Why the hell do they need commercials when they have an Emmy-winning drama where the workplace featured is a fucking advertising agency?  *ugh* 
 
Also, cutting two cast members?  Like who?  I mean, I haven't gotten past season three yet (picking up season four next week), and even then, there were characters that left where I said "why do that?".  I can't honestly think of any characters on that show that need the axe.  Then again, I haven't seen any of season four, which seems like it was probably a bit different given the circumstances at the end of season three.
Post by PatVB (3,546 posts) See mini bio
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I suppose I should be happy about this. I've only seen one episode of Mad Men, and now I have more time to catch up. But I feel sorry for the rest of you people.
Post by Parsnip (198 posts) See mini bio
I'm only like 8 episodes in the first season, but so far I can totally see that there are couple characters too many. Unless things change drastically between now and the end of season 4, I say go for it.
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