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Why Do Actors Keep Publicly Dissing Terrence Malick?

Sean Penn the latest in a string of collaborates to call out reclusive director in public fashion. He says of Tree Of Life: "I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing there!"

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It seems as though every project that Terrence Malick makes concludes with one of his actors or collaborates making a point of throwing their hands up and proclaiming confusion: confusion over the man’s methods, his technique, his approach to the conventions of filmmaking. It’s a curiously recursive theme, one that plays out in interviews with actors months or years after the films come out. Thus, it’s no surprise that Sean Penn recently went on record with the French newspaper Le Figaro (translation via The New Yorker) to speak his mind about his role in Tree Of Life:

I didn’t at all find on the screen the emotion of the script, which is the most magnificent one that I’ve ever read. A clearer and more conventional narrative would have helped the film without, in my opinion, lessening its beauty and its impact. Frankly, I’m still trying to figure out what I’m doing there and what I was supposed to add in that context! What’s more, Terry himself never managed to explain it to me clearly.

It’s hard to dismiss Penn’s opinion out of hand; he does, after all, have some experience behind the camera, so he’s earned the right to speak on the directorial direction of the filmmakers he works with. It’s also perfectly valid to claim that The Tree Of Life would’ve benefited from being more conventional. It’s valid to claim that, at least, even if I disagree; it’s a film whose uniqueness is one of its calling cards, and attempting to make it This Boy’s Life 2 would’ve eliminated a lot of what makes it special, and what will have people talking about it for some time to come.

Penn’s last sentence might be the most revealing, though, as everything I’ve heard about Terrence Malick would seem to indicate that the man doesn’t quite know precisely what he wants his films to be until he spends a great deal of time in the editing room, which leads to some confusion on the part of his actors. Most famously, Adrien Brody reportedly showed up to the premiere of The Thin Red Line expecting to have his character be front and center in the narrative, only to find his arc mostly replaced by that of James Caviezel. The Thin Red Line’s original cut was some five hours long, so obviously a lot of material got left on the cutting room floor. Brody said to the New York Press:

You spend all this time in an unfamiliar place, you experience incredible things, and then you come home, you're wounded psychologically, and you have nothing to show for it.

Some of the cast and crew on The New World had similar reactions to that film. James Horner, the film’s composer, famously excoriated Malick in an interview with Film Music Magazine, a transcript of which can be found on this Facebook page. Here’s some of the more vituperous comments that Horner had for Malick:

So Terry was making this movie that was incomprehensible. Everybody told him it was unwatchable. Everybody. Everybody. And he had Final Cut and when a director has final cut everybody can scream and shout but unless you’re willing to really go head to head in combat you basiclally have to throb your hands and say "I have no control of this man." And if we get the reputation of taking a director’s cut film from a director and recutting it ourselves and releasing no one want to make movies with us. So the studio company let him go along. He never did preview it but he played it for the studio and there were 35 people would come to the screenings and slowly over the course of three hours - because it’s a three hour movie - they would walk out. The editor who had worked on The Thin Red Line begged Terry to fix the fim. It was a love story and Terry doesn’t feel those feelings. All I can say is that Terry is on the surface a stone and he does not know how to tell love stories to save his live. When we scored the movie he completely disassembled everything. The score made no sense anymore and he started to stick in Wagner over scenes and a Mozart piano concerto over an Indian attack everybody to a man thought he was insane. By this time I was no longer on, I basically said "**** you" so I just did say a four letter word. I’m out of here. I’ve done my score. I thought what I have done was exactly what my brief was being hired, exactly what the studio wanted, exactly what the film supposed to be and the one who broke the bond was Terry. From the day he started editing to the final day when they kicked him off the dubbing stage he was just spending hour after hour doing nothing. It was like shuffling the tiles in a Rubik’s Cube. There was never a solution. All he was do was shuffle scene D over to scene X or Y would go up to A. Now that. Let’s try putting up A after D and putting D behind J. There wasn’t any gift of telling the movie. Terry doesn’t so this. And that was something we all learned about the great Terry. I never felt so letdown by a filmmaker in my life.

Ouch? If that wasn’t enough, Christopher Plummer also took issue with the way his part was pared down in the final film, telling New York Magazine:

He’s fascinated by nature, and just cuts to birds. Colin Farrell kept saying, ‘My character, he’s a fuckin’ osprey. That’s how he sees me.’ You’d be playing a passionate scene, and he’d say in that strange southern voice of his, mixed with Harvard and Oxford, ‘Ah, jes’ stop a minute, Chris. I think there’s an osprey flying over there. Do you mind if I just take a few shots?’ I wrote him an infuriated letter because I saw the film and I was hardly in it—he cut my part to shit. [...] I wrote to Terry and said, ‘You need a writer, baby, you need somebody to follow the ­story.’ I was awful to him, but I did say I admired him. He’s an individual—also mad as a hatter.”

It’s hard not to see a mild pattern coming into play here. If I had to sketch it out, it’s of a man who has final cut on his films and isn’t particularly concerned with what other people think of the final results, even his collaborators. Issues of tact might come into play at some points; certainly if an actor’s role is going to be significantly reduced in the final cut of a film, it might be wise to give them a bit of warning before they discover that in the theater. But by all accounts, Malick is a tremendously shy man who, ironically, hates being photographed; during the standing ovation at the premiere of The Tree Of Life, the Cannes camera that was capturing the event was even pointed at the ground as he came out for a minute to stand with his actors. As anyone who’s ever felt a bit of shyness might tell you, it’s likely easier to simply avoid that confrontation until it’s unavoidable.

All of this, of course, brings up odd issues of directorial primacy and authorial intent and whatnot: Malick is a prime living example of the auteur theory, and he obviously jealously guards his ability to make his films precisely as he wishes them to be, as is his right, and, apparently, as is in his contract. When such a director comes into contact with opinionated artists like Sean Penn, though, it seems likely that someone’s going to wind up with a stubbed toe in the end, and that final cut clause almost guarantees that it will never be Malick.

The moral of the story? Sean Penn's still kind of a dick.

JimmyPancakeson Aug. 23, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.

good story

snide staff on Aug. 23, 2011 at 2:19 p.m.

As fascinating as all this is and how much he sounds like a total prick to work with I must still admit he's the most exciting director out there at the moment for me. I really have no idea what I'm going to get when I walk into a Terrance Malick film.

SolidOceloton Aug. 23, 2011 at 2:21 p.m.

Great article, i for one cant stand Malick he is so pretentious it infuriates me, though i admire anyone in Hollywood who continues to do with they think is best for their project and not bending to every whim from the Studio execs.

sureokayon Aug. 23, 2011 at 2:28 p.m.

@snide said:

As fascinating as all this is and how much he sounds like a total prick to work with I must still admit he's the most exciting director out there at the moment for me. I really have no idea what I'm going to get when I walk into a Terrance Malick film.

To be honest, I kind of do. There will be some really great choreographed shots, and there will be some whispered voice over that most likely, while not directly speaking of the plot, will be speaking of the same themes the story is about, and there will also be shots of nature and animals.

Having said that I really love The Tree of Life, and I like The Thin Red Line. I dunno. To me Malick is predictable, but I haven't gotten tired of his craft.

skiddon Aug. 23, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.

I can't say that I'm overly familiar with Malick's work (having only seen The Thin Red Line) but most of those quotes don't seem unfair, providing what they're saying is accurate. I'd imagine if I were in Brody's position, I too would be especially frustrated. Also, I agree with your Sean Penn sentiments.

Winstonon Aug. 23, 2011 at 3:02 p.m.
excellent article! Terrence might be a hard director but at least he ain't no David O. Russell. And yeah I hate Sean Penn too
HubrisRangeron Aug. 23, 2011 at 3:18 p.m.

Fascinating article, especially the bit about Sean Penn having such a strong negative reaction to the film and his relatively minor part in it. Malick's films have always been impressionistic and difficult to grok, not because the themes of the movies are difficult but because Malick is a director the tries to make films that are not only aggressively unlike other films, but aggressively unlike other media period. His art has to be a movie because of the way he makes them (the interplay between moving images and sound), but they defy the descriptors of your first year film student because of his unique aims. I often find that his films are deceptively simple in terms of plots and themes, but infuriating to anyone who's expecting the traditional tropes of filmmaking or even storytelling. Malick isn't interested in telling stories; he's interested in capturing experiences, be they real or imaginary, and the narrative of those moments serve as a guidepost for those audio-visual experiences. You know, kind of like how our lives are.

The_Patriarchon Aug. 23, 2011 at 3:28 p.m.

Great article Rorie.

Personally, I too would have enjoyed Tree of Life more if it had stuck more to the central story. There was plenty of material for a great, deep movie experience in that. If Malick wants to have nice long shots of hands touching things while people whisper stuff, that's fine. But all the CG dinosaur stuff, the lava and sea sequences and so forth just isn't interesting to me, no matter how much opera you drizzle all over it. It all came off as trying far too hard to be unique and "artsy", and it brought me out of the movie for extended periods of time. The rest of the movie was so beautifully shot that I think it would have been more than able to carry itself, and be breathtaking and one of a kind, without the extra bells and whistles that seemed dumped in there.

Also wholeheartedly agree on Sean Penn. Ugh.

Explosivoon Aug. 23, 2011 at 3:34 p.m.

Rorie you linked to the wrong New World, and I just edited the hell out of the page thinking it was for Malick's film when its not. Otherwise great story

ryanwhoon Aug. 23, 2011 at 3:42 p.m.
Sean Penn and Adrian Brody seem like shitty people to have to work with so I'll take their experience with a grain of salt. Im sure it goes both ways.
ddenselon Aug. 23, 2011 at 3:55 p.m.
James Horner's comments feel spot on to me. Mallick's films always look great, and his films are always interesting watches but he isn't always effective at telling the most coherent stories.
 
Glad he's able to do his own thing, but I'm just not a big fan.
vinsanityv22on Aug. 23, 2011 at 4:29 p.m.
Maybe Malick just confused Adrien Brody with James Caviezel? I could see that - I imagine those guys get a lot of the same roles offered to them. Like...uh...Scott Pilgrim guy and that dude from that Facebook movie.
Rorie staff on Aug. 23, 2011 at 4:47 p.m.

@Explosivo: Entirely possible. Those images in the drop-down are pretty tiny.

JimmyJackJoneson Aug. 23, 2011 at 5:02 p.m.

I like how you worked 'vituperous' into this article. Never heard that word before, but think I can interpret it well from the context. Also love how you build this article to and then just call Sean Penn a dick at the end. Love it. Great article all around.

Aetheldodon Aug. 23, 2011 at 5:12 p.m.

What ever as long as he makes good movies who cares if the prima donas aint in the picture as often and I am glad that at least theres still someone in hollywood who does not bend to either studios nor actors

Rorie staff on Aug. 23, 2011 at 5:18 p.m.

@JimmyJackJones: Thanks. Although, looking now, I'm not even sure if vituperous is a word. I thought it was...but I might've just been making it up.

Joeon Aug. 23, 2011 at 5:22 p.m.
I'm glad Penn didn't understand his role in it all because I certainly didn't.
Black_Roseon Aug. 23, 2011 at 5:43 p.m.
Malick should stick to making nature documentaries. The man is a gifted technician but a terrible storyteller. 
Sammo21on Aug. 23, 2011 at 5:55 p.m.

I'm trying to figure out how Sean Penn keeps getting work.

Brendanon Aug. 23, 2011 at 6:27 p.m.

@Sammo21 said:

I'm trying to figure out how Sean Penn keeps getting work.

He keeps getting work because he's a great actor. Whether he's a decent person or not is an entirely different story.

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