Piranha 3D Producer Jaws Back At Jim Cameron

Topic started by Rorie on Aug. 31, 2010. Last post by AJ 1 year, 8 months ago.
Post by Rorie (3,214 posts) See mini bio
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 I have no idea what hat dude is looking at, but I'm pretty sure that it's not what he SHOULD be looking at.
 I have no idea what hat dude is looking at, but I'm pretty sure that it's not what he SHOULD be looking at.
Remember that thing that James Cameron said yesterday about Piranha 3D? It was a little something like how the movie "is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D." 
 
Well, Mr. Cameron, you can take credit for not only having the two biggest movies ever made: you've apparently also managed to find a way to push the buttons of Mark Canton, producer of Piranha 3D. Canton shot back today with a 1,400-word nuclear-fueled knuckle sandwich aimed right at Cameron's jaw. Here are some highlights:

As a producer in the entertainment industry, Jim Cameron's comments on VanityFair.com are very disappointing to me and the team that made Piranha 3D.  Mr. Cameron, who singles himself out to be a visionary of movie-making, seems to have a small vision regarding any motion pictures that are not his own.  It is amazing that in the movie-making process - which is certainly a team sport - that Cameron consistently celebrates himself out as though he is a team of one.  His comments are ridiculous, self-serving and insulting to those of us who are not caught up in serving his ego and his rhetoric. 
 
...What it comes down to, Jim, is -  that like most things in life - size doesn’t really matter.  Not everyone has the advantage of having endless amounts of money to play in their sandbox and to take ten years using other people’s money to make and market a film….like you do. Why can’t you just count your blessings?

As enjoyable as it is to see Cameron get socked, methinks the lady doth protest too much: Canton seems to explicitly go out of his way to avoid acknowledging the fact that Piranha 3D was, in fact, a conversion job, and by many accounts not a particularly great one. I'm going to give Cameron the benefit of the doubt here and assume that that was what he was commenting on, not the fact that Piranha was a genre film, necessarily (even if it does happen to share a genre with the knock-off 3D films of the 80s, as he mentioned). 
 
But still, it's fun to see people get into pissing contests, especially when they're multi-millionaires. Whoever wins, we win! 
Post by ScanCase (893 posts) See mini bio
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Whether or not Piranha 3D was a conversion job everything he says in that quote is absolutely true. Cameron is a pretentious dick who always thinks he's right and everyone keeps telling him he's right. It's nice to see someone in the industry that thinks that perhaps Cameron needs to get off his high horse.
Post by sissylion (871 posts) See mini bio
I really hope this escalates further. I want to see a schism between Cameron and animation studios that spend long periods of time on their 3D and the filmmakers that have less of a budget and try to work on it post-production. Should be entertaining to keep up with.
Post by JoelTGM (457 posts) See mini bio
Hey, that wasn't a bad knock at Cameron.  Nice one.  James Cameron is very smug, and yes that bothers me. 
Post by Jensonb (188 posts) See mini bio
Frankly I think they both have a point, although I think the reality is Cameron needs to learn that "3D" is, as it stands, a gimmick and until they improve the technology so that it doesn't suck as much (So it stops being dim and requiring freaking glasses) it always will be, so those kinds of "IN EYE-POPPING 3D" gimmick movies (Which includes Avatar which is otherwise a mediocre film at best) are entirely appropriate.
 
Cameron takes himself, his movie and 3D entirely too seriously. He's not an infallible genius, Avatar is no significant work of art and "3D" is a trick not an artform.
 
Sidenote: God I hate seeing "3-D" instead of "3D"...Well, okay, I'm in two minds on it. On the one hand it looks absurd and inexplicable to me, on the other hand "3D" movies like Avatar aren't actually in three dimensions, so I appreciate that it's distinct from "3D" as in "Three Dimensional"...
Post by Nime (38 posts) See mini bio
Piranha 3D was better than Avatar. 
FACT.
Post by Gabriel (224 posts) See mini bio
@JoelTGM said:
" Hey, that wasn't a bad knock at Cameron.  Nice one.  James Cameron is very smug, and yes that bothers me.  "
He really does talk about himself alot.
Post by mstrkrft (100 posts) See mini bio
The chick in the blue bikini is so hot.  That's Riley Steele right?  Looking for confirmation.
Post by jessej07 (156 posts) See mini bio
Woooooooooahhhhh Mr. SHOW!
Post by Rorie (3,214 posts) See mini bio
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@mstrkrft:  Believe so. You could google her name, but I imagine that the results wouldn't necessarily be safe for work...
Post by MarkWahlberg (464 posts) See mini bio
Well, the 3D in Avatar was crap too, so... the legacy of pointless debates in the movie business continues!  
 
(And I'm not saying Avatar's 3D was crap because I'm trolling, I'm saying it because it A) just made the screen stretched and blurry, so I had a headache the whole time, and B) it was just straight up not 3D. Maybe my theater messed it up or something, but I doubt it.)
Post by StealthMaster86 (219 posts) See mini bio
Avatar... Yeah.... At least the action scenes was awesome.
Post by AlwaysBeClothing (289 posts) See mini bio

 "I&squot;m sorry Marky Mark, were you saying something?  I was a tad, distracted"
 "I'm sorry Marky Mark, were you saying something?  I was a tad, distracted"
 
I'm actually on Gus' side for his awesome cameo.  This was all I could think about, internet fight anyone?
Post by AuthenticM (299 posts) See mini bio
3-D is dumb and should absolutely be used in dumb, fun films like Pirahna 3-D. Fuck you James Cameron, 3-D is NOT an evolution of cinéma. It's a gimmick.
Post by jakob187 (922 posts) See mini bio
Interesting words, and it's definitely something to take into consideration for the future when thinking about conversion jobs.  Not everyone has the budget to blow on shooting in 3D nor the time.  Sure, a flick like Captain America COULD shoot in 3D...if they wanted to lose some of their sequences and stunts, as well as set pieces and possibly actors.  I would also think that if we went back to the first conversion picture in this slew of 3D movies...and then compare it to something like Piranha 3D, there would be a drastic difference between the two. 
 
Also, good on him for knocking on Cameron.  If you go back to behind the scenes stuff from Terminator 2, he had NO PROBLEM talking about Piranha II in detail to people, even pointing out that the same techniques used to make the fish fly in it were also used for Aliens later in his life.  He also met Lance Henriksen, who happens to play a role in just about EVERY FUCKING MOVIE the man makes.  Hell, he went so far as to cut his own version of the movie at one point and release THAT. 
 
Sure, it's a cheese-fest, but fuck...everyone has to start somewhere.  Maybe he should've been smarter and NOT worked with Italian filmmakers THAT BARELY SPOKE ENGLISH...and maybe he should've been a bit more open to the ideas of his producer.  =  /  Whatever, though.  The dood went on to make shitloads of money with his wet dreams plastered on a silver screen, and I'll continue to watch them because they're pretty damn good.
Post by Hawkeye (449 posts) See mini bio
I suddenly want to spend money on a movie ticket to see Piranha 3D.
Post by Butano (13 posts) See mini bio
Well that was a fun read. Thanks for the entertainment!
Post by masternater27 (33 posts) See mini bio
As I said in the other story, Piranha 3-D was way more entertaining than Avatar. 
 
And the dude has a point.  The reason Cameron is championing shot-in-3-D so much is because it's tied to his legacy, pretty damn selfish.
Post by VioletEyedDragon (1,208 posts) See mini bio
good for mr. canton.  i now have profound respect for him. 
Post by ultimatepunchrod (91 posts) See mini bio
that guy just made piranha 3D. even if you didnt like avatar you cant deny that cameron has contributed so much more to film than this jackass 
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