Predators weakend the original film

Topic started by LordCrom on July 12, 2010. Last post by Napalm 1 year, 9 months ago.
Post by LordCrom (30 posts) See mini bio

*SPOILERS AHEAD!  DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT MAJOR PARTS OF THE STORY RUINED FOR YOU* 
 
I was planning to write a review of Predators after watching it yesterday.  I was enjoying the film much more than I had Predator 2 or either of the AvP films.  Finally a sequel to a favorite film of mine I had been waiting to see for 23 years.  Sure it didn't have Arnold, but it was a good Predator film in its own right.  But than the Yakuza/Predator scene occurred and strong flashbacks to the original began to kick into overdrive until the end of the movie and I got upset with the fact that after all was said and done, what Rodriguez and crew actually did was weaken the strength of the original film. 
 
I realize that other moments in the film prior to the Yakuza/Predator scene made references back to the original and they were pretty subtle.  I smiled and was glad they were showing respect to the original.  Than we get the scene that plays out initially like the scene with "Billy" in the first.  One individual decides to make a stand armed only with a large bladed weapon.  The leader recognizes the situation and moves on followed by the bladed individual remove his top and preparing for battle.  In the original all we get is the character of "Billy" screaming and we realize he has died.  In Predators there is a confrontation and the Yakuza is actually able to kill the Predator, still dying himself of course.  So this says that the "Billy" character (a long well trained military professional) is not as impressive of an individual as the Yakuza character from this film. 
 
Now we get to the scene that throws the original film under the bus and says that the entire original team was weak and that "Dutch's" victory in the end was small in comparison to Brody's character and his thrown together team.  When Fishburne's character talked of the Predator tied to the tree in camp, he referred to him as the, "smaller" Predator and that the "larger more powerful" Predators hunted the smaller ones as well as the humans.  Well when Brody makes it to their camp and approaches the "smaller" Predator we realize that this is the same breed of Predator that "Dutch" and his crew faced in the first film.  After freeing the "smaller" Predator he comes face to face with the "larger Predator" and gets beat pretty easy.  (Showing us just how much more powerful this "larger" breed actually is over the "smaller")  At which point Brody and the female lead claim victory over the "larger" Predator. 
 
Predator had a crack team of six highly trained military individuals who worked together as a unit for a very long period of time as well as an individual who was prior military (now with the CIA) but had worked in the field with "Dutch" before.  This group died one by one until "Dutch" made his final stand and won against ONE SMALLER PREDATOR.  In Predators we get eight individuals who have never worked together and who have less military experience combined between all of them who are able to take out THREE LARGER MORE POWERFUL PREDATORS.  Two of which were taken out by only one each of the eight members. 
 
I am biased to the original I know.  It was an excellent sci-fi film starring my favorite actor of all-time.  I watched it at a very impressionable age and it stayed with me.  But I believe I make a strong argument for how Predators weakens the strength of the originals squad and "Dutch's" victory. 
 
One other big question I have is, "Why did the Predators come to earth in the original if they had this game preserve and why only send one if they did this in packs of three?"  In Predator that was not the first time they had come to earth.  The female character in the original stated that these types of events had "occurred before in the hottest of seasons."  In Predators Fishburne character says that he has been there for 10 seasons but the Yakuza finds a sword that he says is "old" and that they have been doing this for a "long time".  Sure, Predator was 23 years ago and I don't know how old the sword was, so maybe it was only 22 years old. 
 
Well, what do you think?  Am I over analyzing or do you agree?  Of course this post will only make sense to those who have seen the original and understand where I am coming from.  Let me know?
Post by BURNTHEPRIEST (125 posts) See mini bio
The issue regarding the age of the sword, I'm guessing that because Noland was a scavenger, he found that sword amongst his travels during his time on that planet. It's making the point that the Predators have been using this planet as a hunting ground for a long ass time, just like when in P2 the Predator throws Danny Glover the gun from what? 1772 or something? Indicting these dudes have been at this for a long time not just from P1. I hope I didn't misunderstand what you were getting at regarding the age of the sword...
Post by Scroll (51 posts) See mini bio
I can understand where you are coming from but I think you're over analysing the scene. Having the three Predators just rip everyone to shreds wouldn't be fun and in the end this is a film before anything else so it's made to be satisfying for the audience in the way the Director chooses.
 
Trying to balance how "skilful" each of the characters are compared the the first film just takes the fun out of it.
Post by BURNTHEPRIEST (125 posts) See mini bio
I guess you could also add the fact that Royce saw what it was that he was dealing with when they first found the Predator camp along with Isabelle's intel, from that he and the others were able to figure how to take them down. I don't think that the last bigger Predator was taken down easy though, he took quite a beating from the smaller Pred & Royce along with the grenade trap and getting shot from Isabelle...
Post by wfolse1 (25 posts) See mini bio
@LordCrom: I certainly won't say that you are wrong, but to a certain degree this sort of power shifting happens a lot in these kinds of movies.  I think the jump from Alien to Aliens is a similar situation.  I think it's necessary to some extent.  Furthermore, fighting one predator of the original race would've made Predators seem like even more of a retreading of the original film.  Instead, we get a movie filled with references to the original while putting just enough of its own touch on the fiction to be a worthy successor.  
Post by TheFaithfullyDeparted (1,921 posts) See mini bio
You cant say that two of them were taking out by one guy when the russian blew himself up
Post by StormtrooprDave (582 posts) See mini bio
@wfolse1 said:
" @LordCrom: I certainly won't say that you are wrong, but to a certain degree this sort of power shifting happens a lot in these kinds of movies."
You've only got to look at the massive power increase of Jedis and Sith in the Star Wars prequels compared to what they could do in the originals, even though they are set before them.
Post by HandsomeDead (1,691 posts) See mini bio
Everything about Predators is bad if treated as canon.
Post by Napalm (350 posts) See mini bio
Honestly? People actually liked this movie? This movie was fucking awful. It should have tried to be it's own thing, rather than co-opting shit from the first Predator movie. Seriously, Adrien Brody at the end is so awful it's fucking laughable. This movie isn't a worthy successor to anything. It's just plain awful.
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