The Hole, It Gets Deeper: Now Lucas Says That Greedo Always Shot First, Even In 1977

Topic started by Rorie on Feb. 9, 2012. Last post by Doctorchimp 1 year, 2 months ago.
Post by Rorie (3,216 posts) See mini bio
Just looking at this hurts me.
Just looking at this hurts me.

There's a decent interview with George Lucas over on The Hollywood Reporter today, mostly consisting of questions regarding the Star Wars films, which saw a Blu-Ray release before Christmas and now have a 3D re-issue coming to theaters this weekend with The Phantom Menace. Of course, never being one to let a sleeping dog lie (not that it's ever really slept), Lucas feels it necessary to revisit the Han/Greedo brouhaha with this little bit of self-delusion:

The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn’t. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down.

Let's just discuss this for a minute. First off, there's no way that Greedo shot first in the original cut of the film, no matter what kind of wide shot logistics you want to talk about. There's no gunfire sound, and obviously no gunshot coming from Greedo's side of the table. Han shoots him, sure, but it's hardly in cold blood: he had a gun in his face and Greedo all but tells him that he's going to shoot him. Han shooting Greedo under the table before Greedo can pop a shot off is not only permissible, but it's the right thing to do. Greedo's gun was a foot away from Han's face! If Han was actually going to wait for Greedo to shoot before firing back, that would've made Han the dumbest character in the entire original trilogy.

No one wants to think that Han is a cold-blooded killer who indiscriminately murders innocent people, but that's just the point: we never did. Han was about to get murdered, and by pulling his trigger first, he saved his own life and rid the galaxy of someone who obviously had it coming. There's nothing ignoble about Han's actions, as Lucas seems to think; there's no need to correct them or make them "better." He's a good man trying to make his way in a bad world and is willing to do what it takes to survive, even if it occasionally means shooting someone from under a table. This is precisely why we like him. Changing his character into one that waits for someone to shoot at him when they have a gun to his head doesn't make him a more likable character; it makes him a more stupid one.

Why do I get so riled up about this when I know I shouldn't? I would at some point like to simply banish all thoughts of the new Star Wars from my head, and live in a Total Recall-ish existence where I remembered how they made me feel when I was a kid, without any of the last 20 years or so of changes. Let's make this happen, Internet.

Post by ZombieHobbit (10 posts) See mini bio

Neat.

Post by Jensonb (192 posts) See mini bio

Sheesh. What a ridiculous argument, George.

Post by StrainedEyes (20 posts) See mini bio

How do Lucas' kids feel about these things? When he dies maybe we'll finally get to see the originals again.

Post by FinalDasa (2,775 posts) See mini bio
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Greedo never shot in the original theatrical released and somehow shot first.

Maybe Lucas just likes trolling now.

Post by EDfromRED (7 posts) See mini bio

Hear! hear! Han shooting first always meant to me that he was sly and smarter than his adversaries.

Greedo shooting first looks dumb and unnatural and makes no sense. There is no way anyone could miss at that distance. I think George Lucas should read The Emperors New Clothes, he needs someone to be brutally honest with him to explain what makes Star Wars cool and what makes fans cringe

Post by oddjob (206 posts) See mini bio

Isn't it said somewhere this was how he wrote it in his original script, that Greedo always shot first? If so, this just proves that Lucas has always been a shitty writer and he just stumbled his way into making one of the most popular movies of all time.

Post by StealthMaster86 (220 posts) See mini bio

It seems that Han shot first and Greedo shooting because of reflex.

Post by FinalDasa (2,775 posts) See mini bio
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@StealthMaster86: Thats technically not the original. In that version they add a second blaster sound for just what you said, a reaction from Greedo. In the original version from 77 shown in theaters its just Han Solo shooting.

Lucas seems to change his mind a lot.

Post by Vetterli (107 posts) See mini bio

Isn't there a photo of Lucas on the Indy 5 set wearing a t-shirt that says, 'Han Shot First'?

Post by therealminime (15 posts) See mini bio

George's turkey neck must really be interfering with his brain now.

Post by hrn212 (77 posts) See mini bio

I'm now convinced that Lucas managed to create such a wonderfully morally gray character like Han by accident. I mean if he truly understood the moral nuance of a character like Han, how the heck could he assume that Han shooting first would make him bloodthirsty? Wow I sound like a fan-girl. lol.

Post by DXmagma (125 posts) See mini bio

Jesus Christ people are actually arguing over this.

Post by liquidus (13 posts) See mini bio

What? Where am I? Is this planet Earth?

Post by skrutop (679 posts) See mini bio

The older I get, the less I give a shit about Star Wars. Whatever, fine, the green made up creature shot before the human made up creature.

Post by Rodiard (21 posts) See mini bio
I still think Han is a cold-blooded attempted murderer because he shoots at Vader in Empire. Lucas should edit it so Vader shoots first to preserve Han's integrity as a character.
Post by phoenix87x (195 posts) See mini bio

Its only a matter of time before Lucas is just going to have only Greedo shoot and have the shot ricochet back off the wall to kill himself, while Han just sits there.

Post by Moviemaniac (366 posts) See mini bio

Wow George, really?

Post by red_rover (22 posts) See mini bio

And all those Stormtroopers that Han accidently shoots. He really is a misunderstood pacifist.

Post by connerthekewlkid (7 posts) See mini bio

who cares?

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