I can't decide if it's a masterpiece or a glorious trainwreck.

Topic started by Little_Socrates on March 25, 2011. Last post by skidd 1 year, 2 months ago.
Post by Little_Socrates (122 posts) See mini bio
Sucker Punch stands out to me as a movie less comparable to the many versions of Alice in Wonderland that have been released over the years and more similar to Labyrinth. Where Labyrinth supplies its charm through whimsy and sarcasm, Sucker Punch comes directly for your jugular with some of the most beautiful visual effects I've seen in many years. The music, of course, does a lot to ground me as engrossed with the film, as it's beyond excellent; one or two of the covers should become the new standard for how certain songs are performed live. The women, of course, are all rather beautiful, and while Babydoll's monologues come off as a bit wooden, most of the acting is rather good; the standout is the main actor in the film, Oscar Isaac. The action scenes, on top of being over-the-top and full of adrenaline, also effectively keep the tension going, and every setting is as thrilling as the last.
 
But the script for this film is absolutely a vehicle to deliver all of the above; the character development (outside of Isaac's character) is virtually nil, and the opportunity is clearly squandered, as the actresses portray potentially interesting characters. A friend I saw the film with was disappointed that babes Amber and Blondie never developed; certainly, they're ancillary characters, but the core of the character is interesting, so it's a shame most of the characters didn't develop more. Meanwhile, the thematic content of the film is effectively laid out for you in the trailer; there's no surprising kernel of rather real humanity in the film a la Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, though you definitely sympathize with the characters throughout. 
 
All in all, the fact that I was so entertained by Sucker Punch seems in direct opposition to me being so disappointed with Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith or, really, all of the Star Wars prequels. I mean, the casting is miles better (sorry Samuel L. and Hayden Christensen) and the action sequences are not undercut by the film itself, but is that really all that kept me from enjoying those films? 
 
Beyond being a super-thrilling action film, Sucker Punch seems like a great experiment for the post-Inception world. It's a test of what Inception actually accomplished, in many ways; Inception largely asked the average moviegoer to ask for more out of their action films, to be stimulated intellectually as well as being simply entertained, and to reject "simplicity" in storytelling. It'll be interesting to see whether the film becomes considered a thrilling action movie to be remembered as part of Snyder's catalogue or as a vapid film only memorable for its soundtrack.
Post by indus (5 posts) See mini bio
I have a feeling, most people will compare the crazy visuals to a video game. To me, this is distressing because I like video games and I hope most people don't think that lowly of them. Yet, it really feels like this is Zach Snyder's fever dream after a week of playing video games and watching bad anime. 
 
With all that was invested into the action and visuals, if your main character never even gets a scuff after fighting a freaking (insert evil creature/nazi/etc.) then it just falls flat and thrilling is the last thing that comes to mind. It's really just cgi fluff and the worst of the Lucas legacy. I believe Zach Snyder is better than this as I enjoyed Watchmen but if you absolutely have to see this movie then go ahead and rent it. Now I've got to go to my happy place before I think about this film anymore. 
Post by HandsomeDead (1,691 posts) See mini bio
@indus said:
" I have a feeling, most people will compare the crazy visuals to a video game. To me, this is distressing because I like video games and I hope most people don't think that lowly of them. Yet, it really feels like this is Zach Snyder's fever dream after a week of playing video games and watching bad anime.  "
I can't find the link but the videogame comparisons have already been made. Same thing happened with Scott Pilgrim so I assume this film is going to be fanboy garbage for people who actively go out of their way to label themselves as geeks and make sure everyone knows about it.
Post by PenguinDust (1,641 posts) See mini bio
I read A.O. Scotts New York Times review this morning.  I had a feeling that the movie would wind up like this which is sad because I, too was wowed by the exciting visuals.  It looked like an anime brought to life.  But, from what I gather its a confusing mess.  It's tracking a 25% over on Rotten Tomatoes and this early in the morning that number will only go down as the day wears on and more reviews start to surface.   
 
Having said this, I am curious to see how it does at the box office this weekend.  I think it will do well this initial weekend because of the stylish visuals, but if it has nothing else going for it then I expect 50 to 60 percentage drop next weekend especially with The Source Code and Hop opening then.  I've been a critic of the film's marketing in the past but I may need to rescind those remarks.   They might have done the best they could with the mishmash of glitz and befuddlement the movie calls a plot.   
Post by HandsomeDead (1,691 posts) See mini bio
@little_socrates said:
" Beyond being a super-thrilling action film, Sucker Punch seems like a great experiment for the post-Inception world. It's a test of what Inception actually accomplished, in many ways; Inception largely asked the average moviegoer to ask for more out of their action films, to be stimulated intellectually as well as being simply entertained, and to reject "simplicity" in storytelling. It'll be interesting to see whether the film becomes considered a thrilling action movie to be remembered as part of Snyder's catalogue or as a vapid film only memorable for its soundtrack. "
How did I miss this. Funniest shit I've read all day.
Post by Vonocourt (320 posts) See mini bio
@little_socrates said:
" Beyond being a super-thrilling action film, Sucker Punch seems like a great experiment for the post- Inception world. It's a test of what Inception actually accomplished, in many ways; Inception largely asked the average moviegoer to ask for more out of their action films, to be stimulated intellectually as well as being simply entertained, and to reject "simplicity" in storytelling. It'll be interesting to see whether the film becomes considered a thrilling action movie to be remembered as part of Snyder's catalogue or as a vapid film only memorable for its soundtrack. "
Man, crazy how Three Kings did the exactly ten years ago that without getting muddled in explaining in painstaking detail how stuff works while leaving other elephants too just stand there. Or the Matrix, yep The Matrix is a pretty big one.
 
But yeah, the movie sounds exactly like the trailer suggested, style over substance. Which after Watchmen and his quite frankly terrible handling of mature material, is all I can ask for. If I don't work today, I'm gonna watch it.
Post by remaininlight (449 posts) See mini bio
@little_socrates said:   
Beyond being a super-thrilling action film, Sucker Punch seems like a great experiment for the post-Inception world. It's a test of what Inception actually accomplished, in many ways; Inception largely asked the average moviegoer to ask for more out of their action films, to be stimulated intellectually as well as being simply entertained, and to reject "simplicity" in storytelling. It'll be interesting to see whether the film becomes considered a thrilling action movie to be remembered as part of Snyder's catalogue or as a vapid film only memorable for its soundtrack. "
As Synder's catalogue consists exclusively of vapid films notable only for the amount of detail put into the inessential elements at the cost of plot/character development/dialogue that doesn't make me want to fucking puke, I think Sucker Punch will fit right in to his oeuvre.  
 
Currently I don't have the time to tell you what an idiot you are, but I will later. So, look forwards to that.
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I had something to say about Suckerpunch, but I got distracted when you said Samuel L. Jackson sucks. Meet me behind the swingset after school today. Imma fight you.
Post by Little_Socrates (122 posts) See mini bio
@HandsomeDead said:
" @little_socrates said:
" Beyond being a super-thrilling action film, Sucker Punch seems like a great experiment for the post-Inception world. It's a test of what Inception actually accomplished, in many ways; Inception largely asked the average moviegoer to ask for more out of their action films, to be stimulated intellectually as well as being simply entertained, and to reject "simplicity" in storytelling. It'll be interesting to see whether the film becomes considered a thrilling action movie to be remembered as part of Snyder's catalogue or as a vapid film only memorable for its soundtrack. "
How did I miss this. Funniest shit I've read all day. "
@Vonocourt said:
" @little_socrates said:
" Beyond being a super-thrilling action film, Sucker Punch seems like a great experiment for the post- Inception world. It's a test of what Inception actually accomplished, in many ways; Inception largely asked the average moviegoer to ask for more out of their action films, to be stimulated intellectually as well as being simply entertained, and to reject "simplicity" in storytelling. It'll be interesting to see whether the film becomes considered a thrilling action movie to be remembered as part of Snyder's catalogue or as a vapid film only memorable for its soundtrack. "
Man, crazy how Three Kings did the exactly ten years ago that without getting muddled in explaining in painstaking detail how stuff works while leaving other elephants too just stand there. Or the Matrix, yep The Matrix is a pretty big one.  But yeah, the movie sounds exactly like the trailer suggested, style over substance. Which after Watchmen and his quite frankly terrible handling of mature material, is all I can ask for. If I don't work today, I'm gonna watch it. "
I didn't say Inception was a GOOD FILM, I'm just saying it wasn't the fucking A-Team. The movie wanted you to debate with your friends what happened after it was over, to try and work out the film, and as a result a lot of people did who normally say "It's too hard!" I'd agree The Matrix did the same thing, for sure, and I'd say it was pretty successful at the same thing, but in the end I feel like the bullet-time got taken more often than the intellectualism. Inception really offers NOTHING to take other than intellectual masturbation, as the other things that work in the movie are rather situational. I'm mostly discussing Inception because it's more recent and seems to have hit the final wave of people still going to see the dumber action movies out there. 
 
@pat4327 said:
" I had something to say about Suckerpunch, but I got distracted when you said Samuel L. Jackson sucks. Meet me behind the swingset after school today. Imma fight you. "
Samuel L. Jackson is fantastic, but he was terribly miscast in Star Wars. It's funny, the only thing they ever BOTHERED to do to make the role fit for Samuel L. was to give Windu the "Vaapad" fighting style in the EU, which was "more violent" than most Jedi styles and occasionally even used the powers of the dark side. Without that "addition," the role would've been more suited to an actor like...well, maybe a more physically fit Forest Whitaker.
Post by HandsomeDead (1,691 posts) See mini bio
@little_socrates: Explain to me what, if anything, is intellectual about Inception.
Post by BjornTheUnicorn (194 posts) See mini bio
@HandsomeDead said:
" @indus said:
" I have a feeling, most people will compare the crazy visuals to a video game. To me, this is distressing because I like video games and I hope most people don't think that lowly of them. Yet, it really feels like this is Zach Snyder's fever dream after a week of playing video games and watching bad anime.  "
I can't find the link but the videogame comparisons have already been made. Same thing happened with Scott Pilgrim so I assume this film is going to be fanboy garbage for people who actively go out of their way to label themselves as geeks and make sure everyone knows about it. "
The only difference is that Scott Pilgrim knew it was a videogame movie. Even poking fun at it sometimes. While it's obvious that Snyder played a lot of videogames before making Sucker Punch, he never outright dropped any videogame references. 
Post by Vonocourt (320 posts) See mini bio
@little_socrates said:

" I didn't say Inception was a GOOD FILM, I'm just saying it wasn't the fucking A-Team. The movie wanted you to debate with your friends what happened after it was over, to try and work out the film, and as a result a lot of people did who normally say "It's too hard!" I'd agree The Matrix did the same thing, for sure, and I'd say it was pretty successful at the same thing, but in the end I feel like the bullet-time got taken more often than the intellectualism. Inception really offers NOTHING to take other than intellectual masturbation, as the other things that work in the movie are rather situational. I'm mostly discussing Inception because it's more recent and seems to have hit the final wave of people still going to see the dumber action movies out there. 
 

I fail to see intellectual masturbation when the movie goes to length of creating a character solely so they could get away with essentially standing in front of chalkboard and explaining the whole concept of invading dreams. There's really nothing to think or figure out about the movie, they tell you everything. That is besides the ending, which is left deliberatley ambiguous so sussing out a "proper" ending is rather fruitless(even though Nolan shot himself in the foot by admitting it was real). I do find some of the themes in the movie interesting, like it being a reverse heist movie, or the whole theory that it's a allegory for filmmaking(which was unintentional unfortunately)...but this is not something brought up often, even among hardcore fans of the movie. Sure The Matrix dealt mostly with ideas you'd find in philosophy 101 class, but at least it got people thinking about it a little.
 
The only way I can really agree with you is if I take a super-cynical look at general audiences and consider making a movie where they have to "pay attention" as intellectual. Please don't take this as me hating the movie though. I think its a great summer blockbuster, but that's all.
 
EDIT: Completely forgot to write up about Sucker Punch.
 
This movie...was not very good. It was incredibly misogynistic(even more so than his past movies), and for as crazy as the action was, it was boring. I went in not giving a shit about how bad the story could be, but it was delivered so horribly that it actually killed any tension for the action scenes. Why should I care about these pointless excursions into the imagination's imagination when no repercussions for being injured are made clear. I'm still not sure the fuck happened to Vanessa Hudgens, Greta Gerwig or that asian girl(though that could be because I already checked myself out and was waiting for the credits to roll).
Post by mazik765 (33 posts) See mini bio
@HandsomeDead said:

" @indus said:

" I have a feeling, most people will compare the crazy visuals to a video game. To me, this is distressing because I like video games and I hope most people don't think that lowly of them. Yet, it really feels like this is Zach Snyder's fever dream after a week of playing video games and watching bad anime.  "
I can't find the link but the videogame comparisons have already been made. Same thing happened with Scott Pilgrim so I assume this film is going to be fanboy garbage for people who actively go out of their way to label themselves as geeks and make sure everyone knows about it. "
Or...you know...there could be people like me who authentically enjoyed Scott Pilgrim? Or is it too much to wrap your mind around the idea of someone having a different taste then you so they must be retarded fanboys...
 
@Vonocourt said:

" Sure The Matrix dealt mostly with ideas you'd find in philosophy 101 class, but at least it got people thinking about it a little. The only way I can really agree with you is if I take a super-cynical look at general audiences and consider making a movie where they have to "pay attention" as intellectual. Please don't take this as me hating the movie though. I think its a great summer blockbuster, but that's all. "

I actually was shown the matrix this week in one of my university classes. The movie has a great deal to say concerning philosophy and religion.
Post by CenturionCajun (113 posts) See mini bio
After just going to see Sucker Punch I can say that I'm terribly disappointed with the whole thing. While the story is there the method in which it's told isn't explained well if at all. I was barely able to understand what was going on and the people I went with needed me to explain the entire film to them after we left. For the most part the performances were wooden and the presentation was...interesting. As one of my friends put it "I felt like I was watching a high class porno when the crazy fantasies weren't happening." And when those crazy fantasies are happening they are truly a wonder to behold. If the entire film were just those fantasy segments then it would be a high quality, if very focused, film. 
 
However, they arn't the only thing and as a whole the movie seems like a confusing mess of well shot and presented segments which make little to any sense in the broader scope of the film. The incredibly blatant sexual undertones are also slightly disturbing when you start to think about what might actually be going on. Especially when a particular scene happens at the end of the film. Overall, highly disappointing.
Post by HandsomeDead (1,691 posts) See mini bio
@BjornTheUnicorn said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @indus said:
" I have a feeling, most people will compare the crazy visuals to a video game. To me, this is distressing because I like video games and I hope most people don't think that lowly of them. Yet, it really feels like this is Zach Snyder's fever dream after a week of playing video games and watching bad anime.  "
I can't find the link but the videogame comparisons have already been made. Same thing happened with Scott Pilgrim so I assume this film is going to be fanboy garbage for people who actively go out of their way to label themselves as geeks and make sure everyone knows about it. "
The only difference is that Scott Pilgrim knew it was a videogame movie. Even poking fun at it sometimes. While it's obvious that Snyder played a lot of videogames before making Sucker Punch, he never outright dropped any videogame references.  "
That doesn't make it OK. Better, but not OK. 
 
@mazik765
said:
" @HandsomeDead said:

" @indus said:

" I have a feeling, most people will compare the crazy visuals to a video game. To me, this is distressing because I like video games and I hope most people don't think that lowly of them. Yet, it really feels like this is Zach Snyder's fever dream after a week of playing video games and watching bad anime.  "
I can't find the link but the videogame comparisons have already been made. Same thing happened with Scott Pilgrim so I assume this film is going to be fanboy garbage for people who actively go out of their way to label themselves as geeks and make sure everyone knows about it. "
Or...you know...there could be people like me who authentically enjoyed Scott Pilgrim? Or is it too much to wrap your mind around the idea of someone having a different taste then you so they must be retarded fanboys... "
I do find it difficult because it's one of the worst movies I've ever paid to see with one of the audiences I've ever sat as part of. That being said, I'd be willing to bet you're part of the group I described, or close to it.
Post by mazik765 (33 posts) See mini bio
@HandsomeDead:  And I'd be willing to bet good money that I'm not.
Post by HandsomeDead (1,691 posts) See mini bio
@mazik765: Yeah, that Nintendo avatar and Rorschach hat really help your case.
Post by TheFreeMan (894 posts) See mini bio
Good discussion, guys.
Post by ryanwho (1,130 posts) See mini bio
I think you need medication if you're contemplating where something is one thing or the complete opposite. Schizophrenia is serious business.
Post by mazik765 (33 posts) See mini bio
@HandsomeDead:  They don't have to. I know you're wrong, but you are welcome to be as close-minded as you like.
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