Theme Week: Films About Filmmaking

Topic started by Rorie on June 6, 2011. Last post by Govannan 1 year, 11 months ago.
Post by Rorie (3,216 posts) See mini bio

Quick: name a question that you ask someone you’ve just met. Survey says...”So, what do you do?” Our work lives take up a large chunk of your waking hours, and it’s natural that people want to talk about what they do. It’s therefore no surprise that filmmakers often can’t resist the urge to make films about filmmaking. When you combine incredibly creative people with a form of artistic endeavour that no doubt features just as many combative personalities behind the camera as in front of it, it’s natural that those filmmakers might want to combine their personal lives with their professional ones. Thus we enter the strangely recursive rabbit hole of films about films.

Obviously that’s only a general genre when we’re talking about Super 8, JJ Abrams’ and Steven Spielberg’s homage to the backyard filmmaking endeavours of their youths, but it’s still somewhat applicable, and what’s more, gives us a nice framework to use to discuss the rest of this venerable category of film. There have been dozens of films about the dog-eat-dog world of Hollywood, of course, although they rarely seem to strike a chord with general audiences; there’s something insider baseball-y about them, and many viewers are content to suspend their disbelief when attending a movie; we don’t always want to see the man behind the curtain who makes their appearance possible. As such, many of the more Hollywood-oriented films have been less than successful, with even critical darlings like Boogie Nights and Adaptation not exactly lighting up the box office.

But that doesn’t mean that Super 8 is going to follow in those footsteps; the movie is presumably much more about aliens than it is about filmmaking, and I’m prepared to predict that it’ll do pretty well at the box office as a result. (The names above the title don’t hurt, of course.) Still, its release seemed to lend itself to a discussion of the films-about-filmmaking genre, and as such, that’s what we’ll be tackling this week. Expect stories about the best “fake movies” ever made, a Scenester entry on 8 ½, a feature on the recurring motif of the obsessive director, Barton Fink and how it plays with audience expectations, as well as an examination of the rhetorical strategies behind the ever-popular usage of fake movie trailers in films like Grindhouse, Tropic Thunder, and The Last American Hero. And, of course, we’ll have a full review of Super 8 later this week.

But what about you? What’s your favorite film about filmmaking? If we don’t have a concept for it yet, someone needs to make one and flesh it out!

Post by Vigilante (20 posts) See mini bio
I really like Shadow of the Vampire. Probably kinda like Super 8, in that it's about the supernatural goings on as well, but John Malkovich's insanely driven performance as Nosferatu's director was the highlight of that movie for me
Post by Kajaah117 (280 posts) See mini bio
I think Adaptation is the king here. That screenplay is one of the best ever written. 
Post by ThePickle (2,855 posts) See mini bio

Ed Wood and Hearts of Darkness are king in this category.

Post by Kovski (87 posts) See mini bio
I  want to mention Son of Rambow, even if it's really a coming of age story, but it do capture the adventures of how fun it could and can be with just your friends and a camera.  
 
I can't come up with any movie where the filmmaking isn't just a framing device within the story, but as mentioned: Ed Wood and Shadow of the Vampire are really two good butcompletely different movies where the filmmaking is very much in the centre of attention, but both movies really is about the men behind the cameras and not the filmmaking.
 
EDIT: Since Pickle added  Hearts of Darkness, I must add two of my favourite documentaries about filmmaking: American Movie and Lost in La mancha. Films about filmmaking doesn't become better than this. American Movie and Lost in La mancha is two nice complimentary pieces to Hearts of Darkness, but with different takes.
Post by risseless (129 posts) See mini bio

My favorite movie about making a movie -- American Movie, hands down.

Post by frythefly (77 posts) See mini bio

My favorite is still Our Beloved Month of August (you can watch it on MUBI) by Miguel Gomes. I just love the slow transition from documentary to fiction and the constant reflection of how the film became what it is. I also love Agnès Varda's Lions Love, in which she depicts the New Hollywood of the 1960s. One of Warhols superstars, the authors of Hair, avant gard filmmaker Shirley Clarke and Varda play themselves (?).

Post by theodacourt (265 posts) See mini bio

@Kovski said:

I want to mention Son of Rambow, even if it's really a coming of age story, but it do capture the adventures of how fun it could and can be with just your friends and a camera.

THIS!

Also The Five Obstructions and I also enjoyed Be Cool at the time, even if it's not loved so much.

Post by phoenix87x (195 posts) See mini bio
Living in Oblivion with Steve Buscemi is so damn good and it captures the atmosphere and complete ass-backward insanity of a film set so well its ridiculous. 
 
  
Post by buckybit (94 posts) See mini bio

for me it is Otto é mezzo - definitely. Too personal to not put it way ahead of any other movie of that kind. 

 

But what I don't like is the Spielberg revisited version of kids-in-main-roles through the camera and editing frenzy of J.J. Abrams. I get why they enjoy doing it - re-living their own childhood. But, boy, is it boring to watch annoying little brats 2 hours long! 
 
I never liked Spielberg's kids (the movies he made with them, the ones he produced) or any kids in movies in general. J.J.Abrams movie maybe (or most likely) isn't a 'kids-movie'. And Spielberg did leave some raw edges to his kids (smoking, cursing,..) STILL I cannot deal with it. I am not interested in the mindset of 8 year olds. Nor 12 year olds, nor 18 year olds...

Post by Manitou (75 posts) See mini bio
Either Ed Wood or American Movie.
Post by Xpgamer7 (324 posts) See mini bio

All I can think of is New Nightmare and that community episode.

Post by RedSox8933 (112 posts) See mini bio

@buckybit: Absolutely my favorite as well.

Post by Tomrock (96 posts) See mini bio
Post by Vetterli (107 posts) See mini bio

Picking The Blair Witch Project might be stretching it a bit but I still love it to death so my choice is Adaptation. Extremely original movie with a script that goes beyond what a normal script can do, and Nicolas Cage actually does a pretty damn good job at playing Charlie and Donald Kaufman.

Post by Justin_W (3 posts) See mini bio

There are some real classics that people have mentioned in these here comments. I would like to add my favorite movie about film making: State and Main. Written and directed by stage legend David Mamet, it features memorable performances by the likes of Julia Stiles, William H Macy, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Alec Baldwin, and Sarah Jessica Parker. Quite an excellent film indeed.

Post by PatVB (3,546 posts) See mini bio
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The first thing that came to mind is Cloverfield, but I suppose that doesn't really count.

Post by Govannan (19 posts) See mini bio
As mentioned, 8 ½ is fantastic. Also Inception.
Super 8 Theatrical Trailer

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Super 8 Trailer

J.J. Abrams' new monster movie trailer teases us something fierce without showing any leg.

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