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I remember when they rumored Thanos as the villain a few months back, lol.

I'm just not gonna pay any more attention to Avengers news, I know too much already.

I bet it's The Brood. That way they can link this movie to a new X-Men film. Synergy!

@gangly said:

Does anyone else think that it's oddly manipulative and just plain dumb that the main antagonists of this flick HAVEN'T been revealed? A whole ton of fanboys are already cumming over this flick, and other folks will most likely see it too because the characters have been mostly well recieved and people like superhero movies still. So WHY are they making this a big secret?

If we didn't know that Red Skull, Obadiah Stane, Loki, Whiplash, etc. were the various villains in their respective flicks, would more people be likely to go see them? Fuck no. Knowing a bit of what happens in a movie is what garners interest. So not knowing something means you're just loosing out on a possible reason for a person to want to buy a ticket.

All of this artificial "mystery" about The Avengers is only reinforcing my assumptions that the big reveal is just a force of completely interchangeable whatevers who will seem all tough in the second act and then be blandly overcome when the heroes learn to work together blah blah blah...

Well probably...but I do like it whenever a movie can hold in at least an iota of it's plot before reaching theaters...

@TheFaithfullyDeparted said:

...do you seriously think people went to see Captain America just because Red Skrull was the villain in it?

I know I did! Chris Evans did a (surprisingly?) great job as Cap, but it was knowing Hugo Weaving was bringing Schmidt to life which made me interested in the first place.

@vinsanityv22 said:

Why are you acting like this is so one dimensional?

Granted, a lot of my apprehension about this flick is that I'm just not that into Marvel in general, but I think that's really the point too. I'm not sold because I don't love the "family" which as you said is what this movie is really about.

I completely understand that folks are thrilled to see these heroes that they love together, but I think that just having them together is where the excitement also ends. Sure, these characters aren't completely one dimensional, but comparing them to the depth of Trek characters is a stretch. Not even because of the characters themselves, but you know in Trek that they will have to come together to solve problems in interesting ways, where as super people just have to figure out how to "collectively punch" the baddie. So if that baddie is uninteresting, the story becomes pointless.

Syndrome was a compelling villain which supported the entire third act of that film, Dr. Doom (at least in that flick) was not, and I had to watch the movie 3 times because I couldn't stay awake for the damn thing.

@gangly  said: 

Does anyone else think that it's oddly manipulative and just plain dumb that the main antagonists of this flick HAVEN'T been revealed? A whole ton of fanboys are already cumming over this flick, and other folks will most likely see it too because the characters have been mostly well recieved and people like superhero movies still. So WHY are they making this a big secret?

If we didn't know that Red Skull, Obadiah Stane, Loki, Whiplash, etc. were the various villains in their respective flicks, would more people be likely to go see them? Fuck no. Knowing a bit of what happens in a movie is what garners interest. So not knowing something means you're just loosing out on a possible reason for a person to want to buy a ticket.

All of this artificial "mystery" about The Avengers is only reinforcing my assumptions that the big reveal is just a force of completely interchangeable whatevers who will seem all tough in the second act and then be blandly overcome when the heroes learn to work together blah blah blah...

Dial it back gangly, damn. Jk jk. But seriously, maintaining a little mystery isn't a bad thing. I don't think it adds or detracts from how awesome the movie looks. I think this WILL be important for these movies even if the villains aren't because of the reasons you just said. They have to come together after all flying solo (or with people other than the new team) and learn to work together as a unit. That's going to be important if this is going to be a trilogy and will help us as an audience connect with the characters and realize why they like/dislike one another. I think the villains will be a bigger deal than just interchangeable whatevers because they seem to be kicking ass in the trailers and Loki isn't a wimp (in Thor he may have seemed like it, but he was holding back because he had hope that he could still feel like part of the family).  Anyway, the movie will likely be good (it's Joss Gorram Whedon) and I think the few naysayers will see it and like it.

Loki's not going to continue being the main villain. I think Thanos will eventually be the threat mostly by merit of other supervillains being too closely tied to failed franchises (Fantastic Four, Ghostrider, etc.) or the Xmen. I think the army's progenitor will be a secret most of the film but we'll find on Loki's deathbed that a more powerful being is in the loop here. The machines are probably some new, unaffiliated thing because the story is going to be busy enough just setting up the relationships with the heroes. And I think its cute that you think they've limited themselves to a trilogy, considering how much money they spent just setting the film up.

My feeling is they probably want to cover a really big villain, Hulk going chaotic, and the civil war at which point some old Xmen will probably show up (or maybe just Hugh Jackman) along with the new Spiderman.

Mandarin, I'm calling it now.