Do You Want The Western Genre To Come Back?

Topic started by Rorie on Oct. 11, 2011. Last post by Tomrock 1 year, 7 months ago.
Post by Rorie (3,216 posts) See mini bio
So, like this, but with Indians. And Tonto, who's an Indian.
So, like this, but with Indians. And Tonto, who's an Indian.

I can't say I was exactly on the edge of my seat with this whole "will they/won't they" Lone Ranger drama. If you haven't heard, Gore Verbinski, Jerry Bruckheimer, and Johnny Depp originally wanted to make their upcoming adaptation of the practically ancient license at a price tag of something like $275 million, which is a fucking insane amount of money to spend on a Western. Disney haggled with them, eventually shutting down pre-production, but it looks like the film's back on, at a more svelte $215 million pricetag. It's not a license that reverberates much with me, so I can take it or leave it at this point. The question is: is that still too much to spend on the movie? And what will this do for the western genre as a whole, which is largely moribund, at least in the big-budget arena? Cowboys & Aliens, after all, is going to wind up a major money-loser for its backing studios, despite the sci-fi tie-ins.

Thinking about the first question, Disney is putting themselves in a position where this movie needs to make well over half a billion dollars worldwide in order to achieve profitability, considering that they only receive half of the box office, and they'll be spending $100 million+ on marketing. Westerns, being a quintessentially American genre, have never done resoundingly well overseas, either. That said, Johnny Depp is the biggest movie star in the world right now, with two billion-dollar grossing films in two years. And, to be fair, the pirate genre wasn't all that hot before he and Verbinski rejuvenated it with the first Pirates of the Caribbean, so if anyone can bring the western back to life, it's probably this group.

This movie made almost three times as much as Cowboys & Aliens did, 20 years earlier.
This movie made almost three times as much as Cowboys & Aliens did, 20 years earlier.

Still, even the new, lower budget is more than the vast majority of western films have made in worldwide grosses, with Dances With Wolves being the only major outlier. And The Lone Ranger franchise isn't exactly a huge one, with the most memorable exploitation of the character coming from a TV show that stopped airing in the 1950's. We all know the name of The Lone Ranger, but Verbinski, et al, will have to do some major work to make us actually care about it. Compounding matters somewhat is that Depp won't even be playing the Lone Ranger, instead taking up the mantle of Tonto. I guess that'll give them some room to make him be oh-so-wacky and make funny faces, which is basically what he's paid a gazillion dollars to do in these films.

Despite all my trepidation about the success of this movie (especially given the deteriorating quality of the Pirates movies, the other prominent Verbinksi/Bruckheimer collaboration), I'm hoping that it might be able to spark a bit of a resuscitation in the Western genre. We live in an era where the majority of films have to make 60% or more of their gross overseas just to break even, and that's always been difficult to do with Westerns. It's a genre that affords pleasures that are, if not unique, somewhat rarely seen nowadays, not the least of which is the beauty of well-shot midwest geography. (Seriously, have you seen Shane lately?)

Even if the revisionism of Unforgiven and Dances With Wolves might have muted my enthusiasm for the old-school, black-and-white, good-versus-evil plots of the older generation of westerns (and I think we can all agree that we'll likely never see another cowboys-vs-Indians tale anytime soon), it's still a genre that could use a good shot in the arm, if only for the sake of variety in our summer blockbusters. Cowboys And Aliens wasn't a good omen for the genre (even if the sci-fi was balanced with the western), but True Grit made plenty of waves (and a fair amount of money) last year, and maybe The Lone Ranger or Django Unchained can help make it seem hip, or at least relevant, once more.

Have any thoughts on the matter? Do you want to see more westerns get made, or do you not particularly care one way or the other?

Post by teh_destroyer (483 posts) See mini bio

I am down.

Post by Daveyo520 (87 posts) See mini bio

I love Westerns. Have Clint direct another one, he doesn't need to star.

Post by Spiral_Stars (344 posts) See mini bio

3:10 to Yuma remake was pretty rad.

Post by Kaboobi (30 posts) See mini bio

The 3:10 to Yuma remake a few years back was badass.

Post by Colonel_Fury (135 posts) See mini bio

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford was a great film, as was True Grit. If this means more good westerns, then I'm game.

Post by kwyrt (10 posts) See mini bio

Wow. Apparently I needed to be a bit quicker to be the first to reference 3:10 to Yuma! Liked that movie quite a bit. Especially Ben Foster's character. Also loved The Quick and the Dead. That movie is not that old. Right? Right? Or maybe I'm just old. <sigh>

Post by Godot (429 posts) See mini bio

I too would like to see more Westerns, but holy crap is that a lot of money. If it tanks it'll kill the mainstream, non-revisionist elements of the genre for years to come.

Post by hermes (62 posts) See mini bio

I like westerns, although I don't know how can you spend 215 millions in one. Also, I don't know if Verbinksi/Bruckheimer style of light-hearted adventure fits with the genre...

Post by President_Barackbar (525 posts) See mini bio
Hell yes I want the Western genre to come back. Granted, I don't care anything about this new Lone Ranger movie, but the Coen's True Grit reminded me just how much I like Westerns.
Post by dvaeg (38 posts) See mini bio

It's important to note that Verbinski/Bruckheimer/Depp didn't resurrect the Pirate genre. They made a trio of successful films within the genre. I don't expect to see competing pirate properties or pirate film one-offs being the new norm.

My point being that their collaboration doesn't need to speak for the genre as a whole but rather would need to succeed on its own merit. That said, my interested is piqued.

Post by mixedupzombies (77 posts) See mini bio

True Grit shows that Westerns can still have meaning. Cowboys and Aliens felt like a village type scenario where aliens planted people in a semi-west looking setting.

Post by SmokeYou (114 posts) See mini bio

I still want them to make that Red Dead Redemption movie.

Post by Burrobean (32 posts) See mini bio

I love a good western, and have a real soft spot for the Lone Ranger. That said, I have serious concerns about this project based soley on that ridiculous budget. Sounds like they're headed far more in the direction of WILD WILD WEST instead of THE WILD BUNCH, and that scares me. The western genre holds up to a lot of different takes and styles, but it doesn't blend well with excess. Unfortunately brainless excess is Hollywood's stock and trade these days. So I won't hold my breath for anything good to come out of this or any other big studio western. In the meantime, I'll gladly go see the indy oater BLACKTHORN this weekend. Sam Shepard as an aged Butch Casidy? Oh, hell yes.

Post by lyonheart (48 posts) See mini bio

If I had to pick a genre to make a film in, it would be Westerns.

Post by matthew_floratis (42 posts) See mini bio
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Red Dead Redemption should be made into a twelve-part HBO series.

Post by Flap_jackson (883 posts) See mini bio

A western is like any other genre. It's only great if done well. Cowboys & Aliens was a bad film. True Grit was a good film. Will this be a good film? I don't know. It has Gore & Armie Hammer, so I'm hoping it will be, but I don't think we'll know until we see a trailer. Hopefully it's more Rango than Pirates.

Post by Owlright (29 posts) See mini bio

I love westerns and would be stoked to see more being made. I think some of my favorite movies that I've seen in the past few years or so have been western. True Grit, the 3:10 to Yuma remake, The Assassination of Jesse James, etc.

But I don't want think I necessarily want a Verbinski/Bruckheimer western. If they try to do something like Pirates only as a western I definitely won't want it.

Post by Beach (1 posts) See mini bio

Just give me more Deadwood

Post by CrimsonAvenger (1,277 posts) See mini bio

I love Westerns but $215 Million is far too much for one. Still I really do wish this genre would come back, even if i never have seen the new True Grit.

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