The Walking Dead, "Pretty Much Dead Already"

Topic started by Rorie on Nov. 28, 2011. Last post by godfather19 1 year, 4 months ago.
Post by Rorie (3,216 posts) See mini bio

As always, this entry will be filled with spoilers.

So, a number of dangling plot threads were resolved in this episode, including the missing little girl and precisely what the hell the gang was planning to do with the walkers in the barn. Plus, we learned that Shane is the master of the Angry Walk.

In brief recap, everyone was all angry at everyone else as news of the barn's inhabitants was spread by Glenn to the rest of the group. Shane took the knowledge somewhat personally, as he did the knowledge of Lori's pregnancy (which might be his, but it's not like they have DNA testing available to them or anything), and took it upon himself to verbally emasculate Dale in the process of taking all of the available guns that the group has, and finally putting an end to the barn nonsense by knocking it open and encouraging the rest of the group to shoot its inhabitants, despite the fact that Herschel still believed they could somehow be saved. Despite what the rest of the internet would lead you to believe, it didn't feel especially "explosive" or "shocking." I was mostly just surprised that Shane decided to use all that ammo rather than simply burn the barn down.

It was an interesting episode, even if it didn't have quite the cliffhanger that I had hoped it would - it was good to finally (finally) get some resolution to the missing-girl quandary (and I have to admit that I didn't see it coming), but on the flip side, it appears that we're in line for at least another episode on the farm when the show comes back. I was somewhat hoping that the last episode before the break would end up with the group finally picking up stakes and heading off to some new adventure, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. I'm not sure I can take another half-season all spent on the farm, though, so hopefully the group will be moving on as soon as possible when the show comes back in February. (You can check the name of the next episode on AMC's website if you want a clue as to what might be coming next.)

Again, it's interesting that the Shane/Rick dynamic has played out like it has: while Shane might be a bit of an asshole, and doesn't precisely make his points as eloquently as he could, he is still kindasorta right about risking everyone's lives on a search that was ultimately futile, as well as kowtowing to Herschel's wishes with regards to the walkers in the barn. Rick's ultimate decision to shoot a little girl zombie in the head will likely go pretty far in regards to confirming his leadership potential with the rest of the group, though, which all seemed to be a little phased by Shane's fireworks.

Still...still. I can't help but think that establishing this entire first half of the season around the search for a character no one really cared about anyway wasn't a fantastic idea; it gave the group time to pause and wrestle with one another, but it felt like an excuse to cheapen the production values of the show to bring them in line with an AMC budget that is now perhaps too restrictive to let the show live and breathe as a zombie drama; it feels like it's now more something along the lines of a drama, with zombies included. I know that there's been plenty of discussion in these recaps this year about whether or not the show is about zombies first and foremost or whether it should be about the characters, and perhaps this season has been a bit of a corrective to the non-stop survival questions raised in the first season. Still, I'd like the shift a bit more if I actually cared a bit about these characters, and for the most part I still find that somewhat difficult to do.

I'm not sure precisely what the correction there is except perhaps to clean house a bit and find a way to introduce some new characters, and I suspect that that's what they'll do next season. If the last six episodes have taught us anything, it's that this isn't a show that breathes well on stasis: things need to shift and move around a bit, in ways beyond just the interpersonal. Hopefully they'll do something along those lines in the next half-season, even if we have to wait three months to find out.

What did you think of the "mid-season finale," as AMC called this episode? Hit the right notes? Do you have February 12th marked in on your calendar, or are you just as likely not coming back to see how things shake out?

Post by civid (16 posts) See mini bio

I have only seen one episode of the second season but good lord this show is so boring. I wasnt a huge fan of the first season except for the first two episodes because while I can accept that there can't be action on screen all the time most of the characters are unrelatable twats who just needs to shut the hell up.

Post by Delta_Assault (251 posts) See mini bio
Something I've noticed in these last few episodes is that the show is really starting to divide up into two camps, Rick and Shane. It's starting to emphasize goodness and morality versus savagery and survival at all costs, just like Lord of the Flies with Jack and Ralph. 
Post by GetEveryone (42 posts) See mini bio

Considering the absolutely awful pacing, and across-the-board milque-toast characters, I won't be back.

In fact, I'm 2 or 3 weeks behind, anyway.

Post by sdnewman (54 posts) See mini bio

As a reader of the comic series, I feel obligated to watch the show (and the actor who plays Shane is my cousin), and while the show is nowhere near as well written as the comics, it still keeps me coming back every week. This season was definitely hindered by the budget cuts, which I'm assuming is the reason for the slow pace and lack of locations, but I feel like it's moving in the right direction with this last episode. I feel that they closed the loose ends appropriately, and the conclusion was powerful and satisfying enough to keep the dedicated audience hungry until February.

Post by Clonedzero (21 posts) See mini bio

why does rorie continue to do weekly recaps for a show he obviously doesn't like anymore? its like a weekly blog bitch session that the show isn't going in the direction he wants it. waste of an article space honestly.

i'd be much more interested in reading an article about something he actually enjoys than reading yet another write-up of him complaining they're still on the farm or that the show is slower paced in the second season. i'm not even disagreeing with him. i just dont understand the point.

Post by Popcorn (191 posts) See mini bio

I've kept up with this season and I feel that the horrible slow burn has finally paid off. Granted I really don't expect a lot from tv shows but the the end was pretty goddamn emotional when you actually sit back and think. Humanizing the zombies was a good move for the series to make people feel that fuck... we are killing people that were once well.. people at one point in time and never asked to be turned into zombies, with what sophia has become. Also knowing that there will be two types of people in a zombie apocalypse, the people who want to do the right thing and the people who need to do things to survive which is losing all humanity you have. Personally to me this was an amazing episode in which I lost hope in the series but it pick up the ante and has got me back on board to know what will happen next. Stop asking too much from a tv series cause in the end it is just a tv series, now I know your going to say "well, why can't we expect something great from a tv show?!"well, cause its a fucking tv show and sometimes certain parts of the season don't hold up to the first season.

Post by SMTDante89 (3 posts) See mini bio

If the last sex episodes have taught us anything

I believe you may have meant the last six episodes, but then again, maybe not.

Post by Lautaro (60 posts) See mini bio

@Clonedzero said:

why does rorie continue to do weekly recaps for a show he obviously doesn't like anymore? its like a weekly blog bitch session that the show isn't going in the direction he wants it. waste of an article space honestly.

i'd be much more interested in reading an article about something he actually enjoys than reading yet another write-up of him complaining they're still on the farm or that the show is slower paced in the second season. i'm not even disagreeing with him. i just dont understand the point.

Summed up my thoughts.

Post by keegan (225 posts) See mini bio

Dead show walking.

Post by Daniel_Newton (478 posts) See mini bio
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I actually feel kind of dumb for not even considering the possibility of Sophia being in the barn, despite the fact that I was fully expecting them to find her zombified. I mean, how anticlimactic would that have been? If she'd just turned up on their doorstep perfectly fine?

I have to agree with Rorie about not caring about the character in the first place though. I'd practically forgotten what she even looked like by the time they found her.

I'll definitely be tuning in again in February. I can't deny that the show's slowed down a lot over the last handful of episodes, but it hasn't lost me just yet, and the preview looked pretty exciting.

Post by Liv (31 posts) See mini bio

I haven't been thrilled by the second season but not hated it either. For the most part the show dabbles in mediocrity and those parts are longer and more frequent than what I consider is okay. At times though, throughout the season, moments of brilliance shines through. Sometimes The Walking Dead really is about interesting relationships between characters and how those character react to a fucked up, apocalyptic world. Sadly, this has not always been the case.

Right now I'm hoping the show will continue to get great ratings and hopefully receive a budget raise for the next season. That could turn things around. I love the comic and would really like to love this, but apart from the brilliant opener of the first season and some episodes, or parts of episodes, I do not. I also want to thank Rorie for writing these articles. While some don't like them, I definitely do!

Post by Zaph (229 posts) See mini bio

@Clonedzero said:

why does rorie continue to do weekly recaps for a show he obviously doesn't like anymore? its like a weekly blog bitch session that the show isn't going in the direction he wants it. waste of an article space honestly.

i'd be much more interested in reading an article about something he actually enjoys than reading yet another write-up of him complaining they're still on the farm or that the show is slower paced in the second season. i'm not even disagreeing with him. i just dont understand the point.

@Lautaro said:

@Clonedzero said:

why does rorie continue to do weekly recaps for a show he obviously doesn't like anymore? its like a weekly blog bitch session that the show isn't going in the direction he wants it. waste of an article space honestly.

i'd be much more interested in reading an article about something he actually enjoys than reading yet another write-up of him complaining they're still on the farm or that the show is slower paced in the second season. i'm not even disagreeing with him. i just dont understand the point.

Summed up my thoughts.

It's called seeing things through.

The Walking Dead is obviously a show that he, like many others, was once (and probably still is) intrigued by, maybe for no other reason than it's a genre show treated with reverence (unlike 90% of other horror and sci-fi on TV). But possibly, also like many others, he feels it has taken a steep decline in quality and wants to explore the reasons why that may be (be it behind-the-scenes financial issues involving AMC, writing quality, or just collapsing under its own weight).

If critics only wrote when they loved the subject matter, sites like this would become awfully boring very quickly (an unfortunate nasty trap that many other good sites have fallen into).

In fact, this is actually a serious problem among media. While tangentially related, Metacritic founder Marc Doyle - obviously fed up with people accusing his site of (indirectly) encouraging the compressed '7-10' scale - recently urged the press to review and write more about bad games, instead of sticking to just average and above.

While recaps aren't necessarily reviews per se, it still plays into he same ideology. And while I don't mean to single you two out, it's your type of comments that pigeon-hole critics into just pandering to the fan base rather than challenging the subject matter and encouraging discussion from different perspectives.

Post by craigymail (10 posts) See mini bio
@Clonedzero He most likely keeps doing a week-to-week recaps because it gets good traffic on the site.
Post by Vapnik (43 posts) See mini bio

@craigymail said:

@Clonedzero He most likely keeps doing a week-to-week recaps because it gets good traffic on the site.

Nail on the head.

Post by FoxxFireArt (24 posts) See mini bio

I like that they don't put to go out of their way with effects and concentrate on the drama of the situation. The Battlestar Galactica remake series was so great because it wasn't just another sci-fi series. It was a serious war time drama that just happened to take place in space.

Shane is a crazy A-hole, but you can't deny that he made his point pretty well when he shot that zombie in the chest and it wasn't even fazed. "Sick" people don't just keep moving from that.

@SMTDante89:

If this series had sex episodes, then I doubt it could air on AMC. It would end up being a zombie version of True Blood, which is kind of a gross prospect.

@Newten:

Finding the girl in the barn just makes me more confused about Hershel. He knew they were out looking for a little girl, but he must have known that they had recently caught a little girl. Yet he never told them.

It also makes me wonder how long she's been in there. Was it before or after they arrived on the farm.

Post by Zaph (229 posts) See mini bio

Also, just to throw in my own thoughts on the show so far...

I've always felt (having not read the comics) The Walking Dead uses zombies almost solely as a framing device in order to tell the story of these characters forced to inhabit a hellish world. In a sense, it reminds me a lot of Game of Thrones, if you replace the zombies with dark fantasy and war, that is.

However, where The Walking Dead manages to fall down (no pun intended) is so vital to its success, it's unforgivable. The characters. They're completely and painfully uninteresting.

It's not to say everyone should be likeable (most of those in Game of Thrones certainly are not), but when you have moments of your main characters being in imminent mortal danger, and I'm looking down to check my phone, you know there's a problem.

Post by Lautaro (60 posts) See mini bio

@Zaph said:

@Clonedzero said:

why does rorie continue to do weekly recaps for a show he obviously doesn't like anymore? its like a weekly blog bitch session that the show isn't going in the direction he wants it. waste of an article space honestly.

i'd be much more interested in reading an article about something he actually enjoys than reading yet another write-up of him complaining they're still on the farm or that the show is slower paced in the second season. i'm not even disagreeing with him. i just dont understand the point.

@Lautaro said:

@Clonedzero said:

why does rorie continue to do weekly recaps for a show he obviously doesn't like anymore? its like a weekly blog bitch session that the show isn't going in the direction he wants it. waste of an article space honestly.

i'd be much more interested in reading an article about something he actually enjoys than reading yet another write-up of him complaining they're still on the farm or that the show is slower paced in the second season. i'm not even disagreeing with him. i just dont understand the point.

Summed up my thoughts.

It's called seeing things through.

The Walking Dead is obviously a show that he, like many others, was once (and probably still is) intrigued by, maybe for no other reason than it's a genre show treated with reverence (unlike 90% of other horror and sci-fi on TV). But possibly, also like many others, he feels it has taken a steep decline in quality and wants to explore the reasons why that may be (be it behind-the-scenes financial issues involving AMC, writing quality, or just collapsing under its own weight).

If critics only wrote when they loved the subject matter, sites like this would become awfully boring very quickly (an unfortunate nasty trap that many other good sites have fallen into).

In fact, this is actually a serious problem among media. While tangentially related, Metacritic founder Marc Doyle - obviously fed up with people accusing his site of (indirectly) encouraging the compressed '7-10' scale - recently urged the press to review and write more about bad games, instead of sticking to just average and above.

While recaps aren't necessarily reviews per se, it still plays into he same ideology. And while I don't mean to single you two out, it's your type of comments that pigeon-hole critics into just pandering to the fan base rather than challenging the subject matter and encouraging discussion from different perspectives.

As you said not a review, comparing two people taking issue with repetitive articles with fanboys complaining about a game getting a 7 on a website seem ludicrous to me. To each their own I suppose. As the person that I quoted stated, I don't even disagree with Rorie.

Also I don't have an issue with him writing negative things about products, I would just prefer one story (i.e. an in depth analysis of what has gone wrong this season for him) about him not liking something rather than 4 or 5, same goes for overtly positive things too.

Post by Lucri (5 posts) See mini bio

What? Sophia was the one that was missing? But she and Carl were supposed to be the last kids to survive and Sophia was Carl's little girlfriend! :(

Post by CenturionCajun (113 posts) See mini bio
I have to sadly admit I stopped watching this season after the first two episodes. When it became clear they were simply going to hang out on the farm and be dramatic it turned me off. Personally that isn't what I come to The Walking Dead comics or show for. At this point this show is more interesting as the first example of AMC starting to tarnish its reputation and the backroom dealing that led to this. At least in my eyes.
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