this doesn't look terrible. I'm willing to give it a wait and see.

Wooow....it looks like they cut and pasted from every Ritchie movie they could find. They even used some of the same trailer music as Rock n Rolla (around 52 sec).

Right up there with Don' You Go Rounin' Roun to Re Ro'

Oh my, the little boy said the s- word.

Dexter Fletcher was in Lock Stock which explains the Guy Ritchie-isms. And also why Jason Flemyng is in it. And Will Poulter's grown up some since Son of Rambow!

:/ and I was all excited thinking they'd made a biopic of the real Wild Bill, the one from Dead Wood... :(

@Vodun:

Yeah, the trailer is a complete ripoff, but the story itself seems alright.

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Vodun: I don't think it's copypasta, it's just that Dexter Fletcher is also innacity like Ritchie. Fletcher was the star of Lock, Stock and they've been friends ever since. Lots of movies use the same music.

Yeah, lots of movies use the same music. But not the same cuts, graphics, cinematography, setting AND music.

Look at Layer Cake, it was made by another Ritchie cohort, Matthew Vaughn. British crime, but still very different from Ritchie's movies.

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Vodun: I don't think it's copypasta, it's just that Dexter Fletcher is also innacity like Ritchie. Fletcher was the star of Lock, Stock and they've been friends ever since. Lots of movies use the same music.

Yeah, lots of movies use the same music. But not the same cuts, graphics, cinematography, setting AND music.

Look at Layer Cake, it was made by another Ritchie cohort, Matthew Vaughn. British crime, but still very different from Ritchie's movies.

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Vodun said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Vodun: I don't think it's copypasta, it's just that Dexter Fletcher is also innacity like Ritchie. Fletcher was the star of Lock, Stock and they've been friends ever since. Lots of movies use the same music.

Yeah, lots of movies use the same music. But not the same cuts, graphics, cinematography, setting AND music.

Look at Layer Cake, it was made by another Ritchie cohort, Matthew Vaughn. British crime, but still very different from Ritchie's movies.

Layer Cake isn't very different. It's another innacity crimestory only this time it's a tragedy. It's still got rocking music, with heavy ska influences, lots of slang and 'geezers' being funny. The thing of all of these movies is that come from people who actually lived that experience at some level because they all experienced the Poll Tax Riots of the 80s and they since have expressed a strong anti-establishment vibe in all of their media (this includes Watchmen too btw). It's the same with American artists reflecting a strong protest vibe in all of their media too due to the anti-Vietnam protest experience. Take Scorsese for example, his big hits are Mafia stories and concert Biopics of musical artists whose music has strong anti-establishment themes. The criticism you level seems very shallow mate.

I'm sorry, I can't go more in depth than what the trailer has shown me. And the trailer has shown me a Guy Ritchie movie. Just because they're all influenced, according to you, by the same incident doesn't mean they have to use the same camera work, editing, motion graphics, sound design and setting. One or two of those is enough, any more and we're in lack-of-own-ideas-country.

The general setting obviously is the same in all three movies so they will be similar, but where as Layer Cake is clearly inspired by Ritchie, this just feels like it's trying to be him.

@Vodun said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Vodun said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Vodun: I don't think it's copypasta, it's just that Dexter Fletcher is also innacity like Ritchie. Fletcher was the star of Lock, Stock and they've been friends ever since. Lots of movies use the same music.

Yeah, lots of movies use the same music. But not the same cuts, graphics, cinematography, setting AND music.

Look at Layer Cake, it was made by another Ritchie cohort, Matthew Vaughn. British crime, but still very different from Ritchie's movies.

Layer Cake isn't very different. It's another innacity crimestory only this time it's a tragedy. It's still got rocking music, with heavy ska influences, lots of slang and 'geezers' being funny. The thing of all of these movies is that come from people who actually lived that experience at some level because they all experienced the Poll Tax Riots of the 80s and they since have expressed a strong anti-establishment vibe in all of their media (this includes Watchmen too btw). It's the same with American artists reflecting a strong protest vibe in all of their media too due to the anti-Vietnam protest experience. Take Scorsese for example, his big hits are Mafia stories and concert Biopics of musical artists whose music has strong anti-establishment themes. The criticism you level seems very shallow mate.

I'm sorry, I can't go more in depth than what the trailer has shown me. And the trailer has shown me a Guy Ritchie movie. Just because they're all influenced, according to you, by the same incident doesn't mean they have to use the same camera work, editing, motion graphics, sound design and setting. One or two of those is enough, any more and we're in lack-of-own-ideas-country.

The general setting obviously is the same in all three movies so they will be similar, but where as Layer Cake is clearly inspired by Ritchie, this just feels like it's trying to be him.

That's your choice, but I think you're making a very arbitrary delineation between this trailer and that movie.

I love these kind of setups. When The Rock decided to go guns blazing in The Rundown was amazing.

I hope Wild Bill doesn't end up in jail at the end though.

Andy Serkis pulls off that actual-human motion capture pretty well. I look forward to the behind-the-scenes where everyone is so surprised by his dedication in learning how to walk and communicate like one of those dirty meatbags.